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Climate: the problem that dare not speak its name : Comments

By Lyn Bender, published 13/8/2013

But how can we mitigate a problem, if we are in effect denying and avoiding it by ignoring it?

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Hi Lyn,

The reason CAGW has collapsed is because the science was rubbish. Many suspected this but on November 19 2009, Climategate confirmed it.

Since then it has been in decline along with public interest. Public interest has been lost because the “predictions” have failed.

If either the science or the predictions had any merit CAGW would still be where you want it to be, but it isn’t and never looks likely to be.

It should be relatively simple for you as a psychologist to understand that falsehoods have a limited shelf life. So all you have to do is get the science and the predictions correct so that we can get back to alarmism.

Either you are not a real psychologist or you “suspend” all your training, common sense and experience in order to “socialize” this topic. But hey, you are in great company
Posted by spindoc, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 11:15:00 AM
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Lyn – The problem is that it’s early days yet. You and the pollies will have to wait until extreme weather events become so frequent that they threaten our ability to grow the food we need, maintain communications or sustain our way of life – particularly our small narrow suburbian life. But not to worry. We don’t have long to wait now. Maybe 6 or 7 years at most in which we can try to pretend that its all, well, no sweat.

Unfortunately, by the time people wake-up to the realities of global warming effects it will be too late to take remedial action, even though we might want to. It’s rather like the LNP policy of Direct Action to deal with this increasingly difficult and intransigent problem. Slug household taxpayers with a tax which can be paid to bribe commercial greenhouse gas emitters to reduce their emissions.

That’s an ideological approach and doesn’t really concern me – I earn too little to be taxed, even to reduce CO2 emissions! But what is a concern is that while Direct Action just might be able to reduce Australia’s emissions by 5% below 2000 levels (doubtful), if it is necessary to make a larger reduction (it is), then DA is completely useless. Perhaps that is why the Shadow Minister is now referring to it as a “stop-gap” measure?
Posted by Agnostic of Mittagong, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 11:17:33 AM
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The author is assuming there is a problem (the world is warming rapidly because of the increase in man-made carbon dioxide) and that solution is for mankind to stop producing man-made carbon dioxide.

The difficulty with this hypothesis is that one third of all the carbon dioxide produced by mankind has been emitted in the past 15 years but the world’s temperature has stayed stable. Also predictions by “experts” such as Tim Flannery, our Climate Commissioner, that the dams of Australia would never again be full have unfortunately proven to be totally wrong.

Therefore one can only be doubtful about the so-called “science of climate change”.

The writer should reflect on the words of Tim Minchin: “Science adjusts its views based on what’s observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved.”

Secondly the author argues that because Canada and Australia were on the winning side in World War II but made only a small contribution they should same with CO2 emissions. The important thing about the contribution made by Canada and Australia was not its size but that they were on the winning side. While there was a climate change bandwagon building until 2009 during Copenhagen it started falling apart. Obama flew out after 24 hours, China sent along fourth level officials to meet with Rudd. Now in 2013 Germany, supposedly the most environmentally sensitive country in the world, has announced it is going to build 20 new coal fired power stations. As the author correctly notes the tide of public opinion on climate change is receding.

To quote Warren Buffet: When the tide goes out, you get to see who is swimming naked.
Posted by EQ, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 11:31:08 AM
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What's interesting is that the global insurance industry and other looney left institutions such as the Pentagon and the CIA all recognise climate change as a threat but there are still deniers popping up here saying that the majority is out of step. As I see it we can either take our collective feet of the carbon and population accelerators or we will, eventually, crash. I'd like to see future generations having the opportunity to live well. On our current trajectory we could not only become the shortest lived species on the planet but the only one to have engineered its own demise.
Posted by Candide, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 11:33:03 AM
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If nature Bats Last, I like out chances. Everyone knows how hard it is to bat on a last day pitch.
Posted by Houellebecq, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 11:36:00 AM
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Lyn, love, you tell us climate change "seems to have disappeared in a puff of smoke".

What the hell did you expect. Any issue that is nothing bur smoke & mirrors to start with, is bound to disappear in that way.

I think you should go back to that novel, after all novels are the place for fiction.

This is your 3Rd article on this subject I think. Please go find some world shattering problem of which your training gives you some understanding. You obviously don't have a handle on this one, despite the efforts of many posters to help you.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 11:58:23 AM
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