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By Murray Hunter, published 9/8/2013

Effectively, the opportunity to put forward a new vision for the country has been deferred perhaps to a time when it will be too late to talk about it.

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< Both leaders will tell the Australian people how well they can manage the economy within the paradigm currently acceptable to the national narrative of responsible fiscal and debt management. Both leaders will tell the Australian people that they can best secure Australia's borders. Both leaders will tell the Australian people they can best manage aged care, education, and health. The narrative and catch phrases may be different but the semantics are just the same. And this may be why the parliament after the 2010 election was hung, and this time around in 2013, the result may also be very close. >

Yes Indeed, Murray.

We have two parties which are very closely aligned at one end of the political spectrum, and a great gaping hole at the other end, or anywhere else on the other 98% of the spectrum for that matter!

This is insanity! And it certainly isn’t democracy!

What we DESPERATELY need is a strong political entity which takes the view opposed to manic mad continuous expansionism!

This is THE fundamentally vital corestone for the achievement of a healthy future!

Now, if either one of the major parties were to come out and run with Gillard’s ‘sustainable Australia’, with a major reduction in immigration as the first big policy change, they would surely be on a huge winner with the votership!

With this election campaign, we are seeing another excellent opportunity to start steering our society towards a sustainable future slip away before our eyes!
Posted by Ludwig, Friday, 9 August 2013 9:12:29 AM
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im sic*..of hearing china/howard..miners krudd/costello/abott
SAVING us*..while bleeding us dry via ever new revenue raising
for the feather bedding of their mates/bankers/lobbiests/public service

the aussie people saved us[in the main smokers/pensioners/the criminalised/sick old and insane [but silent] majority..

its all built on..revenue raising
from the poor''while giving ever more tax breaks/grants..'trials'....bailouts/taxcuts

pink batts revisited
[another 3 word slogan]
china saved us*..lol

in my opinion
if you have received the foil/batts/insulation..blah blah blah
if you took the feee;lunch's/grants..its shared guilt all round..noc redit

[if you didnt realise the issue..
BEFORE*..anyone died..!..or we went bust*..its guilt..ALL*ROUND..

have you sen the www.laborwaste.com brochure
its rather pathetic,..mentioning.near all labratter...achievement's
then with a headline under..from in the main murderoch news sheets]7 from the australian alone

this makes the peter beatup'$..nomination of forde..all the more clever[who better to point out howards ruthless cuts to states..that [so the narrative will say]..FORCED him*..to sell of assets..OR borrow..or reduce services

picking peter beatup..may save kev/alp
or it may not..

but even you gotta agree..its a different way

as promised
just as the spin-of the ""20..big wastes..lol..AND cha0s
arnt all that big..indeed some are rather petty
and chaotic is over reach/spin

plus my copy couldnt even..get the printing right
[the inside page is upside down..[or the front..is inverted]

affronted spin?
same old way..as opposed to the neo krudd way
Posted by one under god, Friday, 9 August 2013 10:51:53 AM
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Ludwig - History of Rudd has already show he can't secure the borders he had years and did not do it, only now with the election is he hell bent on succeeding. But the past has also shown he can't be trusted.

Also he wastes money with no regard to the fact taxpayers end up with the bill.
Posted by Philip S, Friday, 9 August 2013 12:48:20 PM
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Interesting article, unfortunately not much has changed in regard to the state of our economy and politics since Donald Horne wrote the "Lucky Country" 50 years ago, the term is misunderstood by Australians. Horne's thesis was that, sooner or later, our luck would run out. Australia still has essentially a Third World economy, i.e. for an OECD nation, a very limited range of exports.

(a) "We accept the myth that budget deficits are undesirable, and that balanced budgets are prudent, even if the country must suffer for this." Yes, it's easy for politicians and voters, it was the Coalition that established the myth of surpluses--cynical politics, bad economics.

(b ) "Australians looking at the symptoms of our economic situation rather than looking at the underlying causes and effects." Yes, apart from pandering to sectional interests, neither party seems interested in tackling the economy's structural problems.

Any attempts at long term policies are fatally undermined by (1) our very short electoral cycle and (2) compulsory voting, politicians are required to motivate the apathetic and ignorant. In his book, Horne quoted a European economist--"Australia is an idiot that keeps winning the lottery," we might not always buy the winning ticket.
Posted by mac, Friday, 9 August 2013 4:40:12 PM
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An interesting article, and I agree with the author - a vision for our economic future is badly needed, but neither of our major parties will be willing to be so bold, at this pivotal juncture, as to put forward anything concrete which might necessitate the electorate having to actually weigh-up the merits of any visionary initiative(s). Much easier to coast along with the samo-samo, in a macabre dance of point and counterpoint, ad nauseam, holding the audience's gaze firmly fixed on the quality of the pirouettes rather than on the fastidiousness of the background 'theme' music.

But, regardless of the 'cardboard-cutout' performance of the players, how do we address the deficiencies in the 'plot'? Should there be a focus on developing the north, or on channeling northern flood waters to the arid centre, and there housing myriads of needy refugees already acclimatised to 'tough going' and willing and able to break their backs to scrounge a modest living from the fragile soils under an unrelenting climate?
Or, should we take a step back from the troubled 'global village', and institute some essential 'barriers' to 'free' trade, in order to develop and revitalise our already damaged and struggling industrial sector? But, what industries?

The Greens suggest high-speed rail, Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne. But, why? To ferry ever-increasing numbers of bureaucrats back and forth?
Others favour expressways linking outer suburbs to central work hubs. So, what happened to decentralisation and satellite-centre development? And, linking to what jobs exactly?

The largesse is extraordinary - more for childcare or more for parental leave, and more for health, education, aged-care, low-cost housing, disability-care, superannuation and super-fast broadband - but wherein lies the 'golden goose' to be plucked into destruction to fund such 'initiatives'? (And to fund ever-increasing numbers of needy refugees?)

'Work Choices' may have been a little harsh, or 'Fair Work' a little extravagant, but how willing will the 'workers' be to some 'tough love' to steady the leaky boat?

As usual, 'vision' may arrive just before this boat 'founders'.
Posted by Saltpetre, Friday, 9 August 2013 10:01:44 PM
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new*visions
of our future..AUSTERiTY*

Strawmen..of FINANCE
&..Why only BANK FRAUDSTERS..have a pet Central Bank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwRmbrAFE6s&feature=player_embedded

The bailout..Wall Street
is blocking..from Main Street
August 9, 2013
http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_bailout_Wall_Street_is_blocking_from_Main_Street/27967/0/38/38/Y/M.html

FORTUNE --The working-class California suburb..of Richmond is taking matters into its own hands..with a bold plan..to rescue homeownersfrom foreclosure..*where banks and lenders have been slow or.,.unwilling to step in...

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/07/31/eminent-domain-mortgage/

...This is essentially..the bailout Main Street never got,
and Wall Street..is now moving..*to block it.

The problem is even worse..when you realize
that the actual US Government debt..is around $74 trillion
and even (according to NPR)..may be as high as $200 trillion.

but such is the greed..of the money changer$$

next time
bailout the poor..first
[by turning...their impoverished..poverty pennies..into pounds]
http://www.yourstrawman.com/

there will be..a next time
from bottom up..not top down

List of sovereign states..by current account/balance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_current_account_balance

This Table..shows the biggest Net Exporter..and Net Importer in Nominal US Dollar..based on WTO Trade Balance Data

This graphic shows the truth
about US versus Russia's economy and productivity.
http://intellihub.com/2013/08/08/the-rise-of-the-bear-18-signs-that-russia-is-rapidly-catching-up-to-the-united-states/

And it stands..in stark contrast to the claims..being made in the corporate media "Russia-bashing" articles.

Looks like taking control
of their central bank..is working out!
http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/during-the-best-period-of-economic-growth-in-u-s-history-there-was-no-income-tax-and-no-federal-reserve/53388

unlike 'others'
http://www.sovereignman.com/trends/presenting-the-latest-in-government-oppression-12542/

Mr King Had 300 Tons Of Gold.
After Selling 1,350 Tons, He Still Had 300 Tons Of Gold.
http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/mr-king-had-300-tons-of-gold-after-selling-1350-tons-he-still-had-300-tons-of-gold/53397

The following are a few examples
of the New Math as practiced by the banking elite.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/feds-give-millions-in-contracts-to-firms-owned-by-fictitious-people/57377/

Mervyn King was until just recently the Governor of the Bank of England. In April he sold 1,350 metric tons of gold to drive down the price of gold.

But after selling all of that gold, he still had 300 tons of gold. How was this possible? He sold gold on deposit from foreign countries and from bullion banks.

A bullion bank can lease gold from the Bank of England or the Federal Reserve and sell it 3, 4 or even 5 times. Of course if the price of gold goes up, then they are technically obligated to replace the gold which is why they needed to drive the price down.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/nsa-loophole-allows-warrantless-search-for-us-citizens-emails-and-phone-calls/57431/
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 10 August 2013 10:28:15 AM
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one under god - To me the new scam is electronically traded gold, if everyone with electronically traded gold went and tried to change it for real gold bet A LOT won't be able to get it.

If the gold is not in your hand you really don't have anything but a piece of paper or some numbers on a computer.

The Governments are preparing to bail out CROOKS but still let the crooks make false money.

Deposit $1 in a bank and it can lend MANY times that amount out even though it does not physically have the money.
Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 10 August 2013 10:59:13 AM
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Philip..<<..bail-out..*CROOKS..
but still..let the crooks..*make false_money.>>

the money..is issued..by the federal/reserve
its not false*money..as much as its built..upon a con/lie/treason

[when treasury..*issued..bank-notes..they were..infact..bonds..[promising say..one pond..in silver..or a guinie/sovereign[weight]..of gold

or a shillings..*weight*..of silver
or a penny..*weight of..*copper

but..when govt went broke
[after bankers..bought up war/bonds..
and DEMANDED..the promised weight..IN GOLD SILVER..IMMEDIATLY

..sending the govt BROKE..plus
the banker..NOW..*holding the CON-troll..over mint/fed treasure..

then[the first..thing...bankers did..is demonetize/stole gold

bankers made fortunes

next..they stole the..pure silver[post ww2]
then..next they stole..our sterling silver[50% silver]..in1966
next [90;s]..they stole..*EVEN the one/two cent copper coins

those..bank-promise notes
became bank..*bills!*!

[we know a..bill=debt..right?]

our money..*now is a debt-receipt..PAY-ABLE*..to the fed*
but fools think..it has value*..[so it does..lol..till we wake up]

..<<Deposit $1..in a bank
and it can/does..lend MANY times..that amount out>>

yes fractional/reserve_lending..BUT ONLY FOR BWANKERS

if THEY*..deposit..1$with the fed..one debt bill*
fed will gladly issue..THEM..twenty times the original debt bill in credit/debt*bill value

thus bankers..can sign us up..for DEBT/bills..
KNOWING,..every dollar we give them..GIVES the bank acces to 25dollars/credit/to lend to..yet others..

to yet again..get
the leverage/fractional reserve..then lending

<<even though..it does not
*physically have..the metal/money.>>

they do..have a thing..THAT LOOKS*LIKE..MONEY-note
except..its DEBT*note?BILL*..not value..but proof off fraud/treasoon*

debasing the queens coin=TREASON*
and by issuing..inflated paper..the value theft.
.of the metal value of the coin..has been debased..HIGH TREASON

my aim..in exposing all of this..is to restore
true value*..BACK INTO COIN..[ie let a paper/plastic 5 dollars=5$]

but RETURN..one cent coin..to be deemed*
as..EQUAL.to one_dollar

and 2 cents =2 dollar

20 cent COIN=$20..
50 cent COIN=50$..one dollar coin=100$..2 DOLLAR COIN=200$

which is only restoring..true face to hrh traditional
historic VALUE*..stolen debased and despoiled by fed corruption

..AND restore back honor..and truth
back to US HeR sacred TRUST*..RETURN..true values back to the people

return..the traditional coin AGE values
then bailout the poor with a few 50 CENT*..
or dollars..iN coin

[ie fixed in paper dollar values..
\then deem coins back to true traditional values as previously postulated..

thus leveraging the people out..
so we can yet again..bail..out the criminals
http://www.yourstrawman.com/

i wrote about it..'wikiseed/wikigeld'
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 11 August 2013 2:55:16 PM
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this articles responses..reveals..there is a lack..of vision even here at olo.or rather no lack..but a reluctance to talk of visions...thus we get the same lame..blundering through

like its clear tony will sell nbn
[likely to murdoch..or via a default clause to return..the lot to telstra..[who also hold cross holdings in the fox..

thanks be to howard
SELLING OFF our biggest ASSET..telrecom/telstra
the..last time the libs..*SAVED,us..and featherd their new super beu/auto/kroceratic super scam/sceme..with the peoples assets

when the commies went broke..they gave the people shares
when the aurtocrats looked like they were going broke..the beauroc-RATS..re-featherd their own foul nest's

plus..added free solar and insult insulation..
new blue tie halls..and infastructure guilding..
further insulating their scemes..in secret tax-free trust's..set up by the same untrustworthy lawyers making laws

what must change
is lawyers making more laws
think separation of religion..separate lawyers from making laws

[with built in loopholes..to keep themselves
and their pals away from jail..by sic*king the police to pol;icing the people..petty crimes./.BUT NEVER THE MASTER*$$$$..
with power to corrupt representatives..

this is to say
to mean self reperation
via a second/3rd party/trust
self serving selfish presentation

yeah..blundering through indeed
but thats the plan../.man*..welcome to sataNS REALM*
where we sort..the wheat from the chaff..the tares from the wheat

at death*
then those who deceived..go to the deceiver
let thee who be tamperd/tempted by satandS$$$ herd..be temperde in the fires
Posted by one under god, Monday, 12 August 2013 8:36:19 AM
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ok..lets kreep our heads in the sand..again
Young woman's..ovaries..destroyed by Gardasil:

Merck 'forgot to research' effects of vaccine on female reproduction
http://www.naturalnews.com/041512_Gardasil_ovary_destruction_HPV_vaccine.html

http://www.naturalblaze.com/2013/08/hpv-vaccines-can-kill-and-they-do.html

A newly-published study has revealed that Merck & Co., the corporate mastermind behind the infamous Gardasil vaccine for human papillomavirus (HPV), conveniently forgot to research the effects of this deadly vaccine on women's reproductive systems.

or the lies of big c02..melt

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/10/slowest-arctic-melt-on-record/

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/10/50-increase-in-arctic-sea-ice-since-last-year/

The past two weeks normally produce the fastest Arctic ice loss of the year, about 750,000 km². This year, less than half that much ice melted.

It also was the coldest and shortest summer on record at the North Pole.

President Obama thinks the poles are melting down, like his credibility.

foo0de shortages
well..food needs water..frack the lot of us

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/06/15/2163531/fracking-is-already-straining-us-water-supplies/
and govt installs the pipes wires ports for free..["no worries mate"]
thinking..no doubt..i know you..will look after me..after the mug voters wake-up..if not..i got immediate super*..and telstra shares

or a blackbook
http://www.dcdave.com/article5/080514.htm

n the day before she was found dead, she was making arrangements for someone to take care of her condo, made sure the payments were arranged to be made while she was in prison.

The attitude displayed by her behavior was of a woman resigned to going to prison, but already thinking about how she would get her life going again after her release.

This is totally inconsistent with someone contemplating suicide. In addition, the medical examiner's report, although concluding she died of the hanging, noted a large contusion on the back of her head as if she had been struck from behind to render her unconscious.

read between..the lines

http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/08/10/nsa-cum-skynet-future-snowdens-will-be-replaced-by-computers/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_current_account_balance

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/us-internet-firms-choice-spy-or-die/57733/

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/medicaldisease.html
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed/deaths.htm
http://xrepublic.tv/node/4812

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2388444/How-drugs-pumped-supermarket-chickens-pose-terrifying-threat-health.html

http://www.blacklistednews.com/A_Quadrillion_Yen_And_Counting_%E2%80%93_The_Japanese_Debt_Bomb_Could_Set_Off_Global_Panic_At_Any_Moment/27984/0/38/38/Y/M.html
Posted by one under god, Monday, 12 August 2013 9:32:45 AM
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There has been a deep structural shift in the last decade which only accelerated since the recession engulfed the nation. Corporations have increased profits largely by chopping wages and other compensation to employees.
http://www.mybudget360.com/low-wages-higher-corporate-profits-the-new-math-on-economic-recovery/

This is part of a global low wage trend that is now fully rolling over the United States. New data reflects this deeper morphing of our economy and also explains why many working and middle class Americans are finding it harder to keep up with the changing winds of the economy.

Suppressed wages, higher corporate profits, and less compensation

Judge Rules: Stop-and-Frisk Practice Violated Rights
http://refreshingnews99.blogspot.in/2013/08/judge-rules-stop-and-frisk-practice.html

In a repudiation of a major element in the Bloomberg administration’s crime-fighting legacy, a federal judge has found that the stop-and-frisk tactics of the New York Police Department violated the constitutional rights of minorities in New York, and called for a federal monitor to oversee broad reforms.

Apple patent could remotely disable protesters' phone cameras

http://refreshingnews99.blogspot.in/2013/08/apple-patent-could-remotely-disable.html

a product of the central banks’ (the Federal Reserve in the United States) low (virtually zero) interest policies, which allow Wall Street to borrow cheaply and speculate, activities which puff up stock prices but do not generate employment, and furthermore depress industry and polarize the economy.
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/08/12/226037-wall-street-take-off-2012-2013/
As a result the gap between the top 10% and the bottom 90% has widened. Wages and salaries have declined in relative and absolute terms, as employees take advantage of high unemployment (7.8% official) underemployment (15%) and precarious employment.

https://www.quantcast.com/whatreallyhappened.com/traffic

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/08/surveillance-vaccines-androids-snowden.html

http://investmentwatchblog.com/global-currency-reset-in-process-the-fed-cant-exit-easy-monetary-policy-as-usd-comes-under-attack-china-and-russia-suggesting-a-new-bretton-woods-one-quadrillion-dollars-of-derivatives-time-bomb/
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 4:12:23 PM
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