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Palestine - Kerry's confidentiality curtain comes crashing down : Comments

By David Singer, published 8/8/2013

What is particularly intriguing is whether Secretary of State Kerry's reported remarks to the congressmen amount to cherry picking of parts of the Bush letter.

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So the land thieves' OLO spokesman has let the cat out of the bag. No two state "solution" is even on the table - only surrender to the thieves. Their starting point, backed by John Kerry and the traitor Mahmoud Abbas, is two kinds of human being - those racially fitted to be overlords and those racially fitted to be submen. Only racist scum would seek this division of humanity. Here is how a two-state solution would look without overlords and submen:

* Each territory to have equal state sovereignty.
* No restriction of the flow of goods to one not matched by the same restriction of the the flow to the other.
* Equal rights for each to maintain full and free international relations and alliances.
* Visa requirements for entry to be the prerogative of each territory.
* Neither allowed to dictate the legal structure of the other.
* Neither to be allowed to foist or retain by force settlements on the other’s territory.
* Neither to have power to abridge the right of the other to accept immigrants or visitors.

If a racist deal, with born overlords and born submen, was being cobbled together then it is small wonder the common herd weren't supposed to learn about it. If the Zionists consider their race too “special” to accept equality with others they may end up with an exasperated world leaving them to be engulfed by Islam and Sharia law. Couldn't happen to nicer people.

PS to Mr Singer: Pleased to let you know that Hamas is NOT "un-elected".
Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 8 August 2013 2:52:11 PM
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To Emperor Julian

The last election in Gaza and the West Bank was held on 25 January 2006. The next election is nowhere in sight.

Any vestige of free elections for the Palestinian Arabs has long disappeared.

Haniyeh and Abbas have forfeited any claim to legitimacy in their respective fiefdoms.

Shame on both of them.
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 8 August 2013 5:48:19 PM
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Don't worry EJ, Singer like his namesake sings from the same myopic bigoted song book.

You are pretty much wasting your time trying to converse with him, especially noting his previous history of rants and raves.

The guy is a pure Zionistic Apologist and he has no ethical or moral values.

His posts are just part of the broader Zionist propaganda being spread world-wide to deceive, mis-inform and spread propaganda.

As the US scales down its ME reliance on oil and natural gas the good ol' Israel will get what it's leaders have pushed for, Fortress Israel, how long the walls stay up is open to debate. Not long I would surmise given their overt military and genocide tendencies that have been on the world stage for the last 60+ years or so!

In the bigger picture of things it will be no loss to anyone of conscience, but then again maybe David will pine for that which has failed.

Geoff
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Thursday, 8 August 2013 9:43:09 PM
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The U.S. is like an ugly parent who has produced an ugly child, ie. Israel.

Israel mirrors the U.S.! Its brutality, its love of using military force, its imperialism, its racist superiority, its embrace of capitalism, its ignoring of International Law and Conventions, its use of torture and imprisonment without trial, its land stealing, etc, is legendary.

And now, again, we have the farce of the U.S. pretending to be an honest broker when we know from Wikileaks and Snowdon that America is engaged in trying to dominate the whole world and having Israel become the supreme military force in the Middle East assists this sordid aim.

The Palestinians are being crucified by the Israeli-Americans.

And the world just stands by and does nothing. Don't they know that their nation is on America's hit-list?
Posted by David G, Friday, 9 August 2013 10:58:25 AM
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EJ, Geoff of Perth,

I considered not commenting on David Singer's toxic "articles", but then I remembered the saying " Silence is Complicity", I'd say most commenters here would agree, even though it seems a waste of time.

Mr Singer, some advice, to be a successful propagandist one needs the hide of a rhino and the ability to realise when one's painted oneself into a corner.
Posted by mac, Friday, 9 August 2013 3:11:34 PM
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#to Geoff of Perth

Still waiting for you to justify your following statement:

"" The 'benefits' ex servicemen and women get in Israel is just so vastly different to what is on offer in other countries, especially when we start talking about land and housing."

#To mac

Apropos painting oneself into a corner - there are two questions you still won't answer

1. Do you believe that Israel has the right to continue to exist as the Jewish national home?

2. Is your name Russell Walton?

Until you and Geoff of Perth do your homework - corresponding with either of you is a complete waste of time.

Get out of the corner, get out of the closet, come clean and provide answers to the above without further obfuscation.

You are both looking decidedly dodgy and evasive by refusing to answer.
Posted by david singer, Saturday, 10 August 2013 9:18:45 AM
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David Trollsinger

You're carrying your personal animosity from one thread to another, that's dangerously like trolling, actually I've never been trolled by the author of an OLO article before, it's rather disturbing. BTW you haven't answered my earlier question as to your association with the IDF--Would you, or have you, put on the uniform? Please consider the following question, to which country is your primary loyalty, Israel or Australia, or perhaps a third country?

You remind me of the Black Knight in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", if you're not familiar with the reference, here it is--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno
Posted by mac, Saturday, 10 August 2013 10:48:30 AM
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Mr Singer cites dates for election of Haniyeh and Abbas and claims they have forfeited authority to represent Palestine. While it is true that Moslems don’t do democracy very well even when it suits them to go through the formalities of electrons this is not why there have been no elections since Hamas won the legislative election of 2006. Abbas, acting on instructions from his Israeli handlers, has issued presidential decrees preventing Gaza and the rest of Palestine from exercising the power conferred on them by the popular vote. In any event the Zionists are sticking their snouts in between the Bantustans of Palestine to control travel between them. Elections in all Palestine, including the Zionist settler enclave, are grossly rigged with millions of people entitled by birthright to vote being excluded.

On another matter I draw attention to the two questions which Mr Singer is arrogantly repeating to Mac. The first is one Mac had clearly answered before the troll even asked it. The second bespeaks the effrontery expected of an IDF soldier or a prosecutor in a Zionist kangaroo court. I am reminded that there in another person who should join Bradley Manning, Julian Assange and Edward Snowden in the honour roll of whistleblowers uncovering major corrupt malfeasance: Mordechai Vanunu.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Saturday, 10 August 2013 3:25:04 PM
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#To mac

I did not answer your question because you asked it in the following form:
" Are you an armchair Zionist or have you been a member of the IDF, or would you join the organisation in the future? Treat that as rhetorical,"

Now you take on the hurt air of the Black Knight and ask:
"BTW you haven't answered my earlier question as to your association with the IDF--Would you, or have you, put on the uniform?"

You never wanted an answer in the first place and now make out I wouldn't answer your question.

Pretty pathetic performance.

Although the question you ask has nothing to do with the content of my article - I am happy to answer it as follows:

I have never been a member of the IDF. If I were an Israeli citizen I would comply with the law of Israel and do military service if required by the law to do so.

Now will you answer the two questions I have been putting to you that you refuse to answer:

1. Do you believe that Israel has the right to continue to exist as the Jewish national home?

2. Is your name Russell Walton?

#To Emperor Julian

You state:
"Elections in all Palestine, including the Zionist settler enclave, are grossly rigged with millions of people entitled by birthright to vote being excluded."

What evidence do you have to support your claim that elections in Israel are rigged?

It is nice to see you trying to help #mac out of his refusal to answer the question I put to him. With respect he has failed to answer the question - which I again repeat for your edification:

"Do you believe that Israel has the right to continue to exist as the Jewish national home?

#mac still has to answer that question.

What is your answer to that question Emperor Julian?
Posted by david singer, Saturday, 10 August 2013 7:49:56 PM
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Mr Singer asked me two questions.

#1. What is my evidence that elections in Israel are rigged?

ANSWER: About 4 million exiles. I don't have a breakup of which ones' birthright is in territory occupied by Israel and which ones' birthright is in the Bantustans but they are all being excluded from the electoral rolls overall. Excluding people from electoral rolls on racial grounds is, as in Boer South Africa, rigging ballots.

#2: Do you believe that Israel has the right to continue to exist as the Jewish national home?

SHORT ANSWER: No.

MY ANSWER WITH REASONS: Only a race of born Übermenschen has such a right. There is no such race on earth. Claiming to be such is as contemptible on behalf of Jews as on behalf of any other race.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Sunday, 11 August 2013 1:22:17 AM
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David Singer,

EJ isn't "helping me out", he, like most people can identify a troll when he sees one.

Unfortunately you've been trained in our dysfunctional, adversarial, rentier legal system.

"Although the question you ask has nothing to do with the content of my article - I am happy to answer it as follows:" (Neither do some of the questions you've asked me, such as my name) You haven't answered it completely, presumably on the grounds of self-incrimination, I'm referring to my question in regard to "primary loyalties".

As to your question-

"Do you believe that Israel has the right to continue to exist as the Jewish national home?"

I've already answered that question in principle in regard to the nation state of Israel

(1)(a) The question is far too ambiguous- if the term "jewish national home" refers to the current culture of Israel with a Jewish ruling caste and the racist policy of semi-apartheid status for Palestinians--the answer is "no". However, an answer in the negative doesn't imply that Israel should disappear from history, so don't get excited and start off on a tangent, the remedy is reform.

(1)(b) If the term is defined as a liberal democratic state where Jews happen to constitute a majority of the population and who are not entitled to superior political or social status simply because they're Jews, the answer is "yes".

Yes, that's my name, so what.

Another word of advice, be very careful about glibly calling any critic of Israel a "jew Hater", it's deeply offensive to any person who, like me, many years ago, actually encountered real Jew haters -- veterans of the Nazi war machine.
Posted by mac, Sunday, 11 August 2013 10:10:33 AM
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#Emperor Julian

The four million exiles you refer to have never been citizens of Israel - and until they are they will have no right to vote. No one in Australia or anywhere else in the world has a right to vote until he becomes a citizen and enrolls to vote.

To suggest that the elections in Israel are rigged for that reason is nonsensical - which puts it in the same league as most of your comments.

Thank you for at least being honest in wanting to see the disappearance of the Jewish State. It helps explain why you make the generalized and unsubstantiated claims that you do and then cannot justify them when called on to do so.

Hatred does that to people.
Posted by david singer, Monday, 12 August 2013 4:31:49 PM
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#To mac

My primary loyalty is to Australia.

Not sure what you mean by this statement:

" if the term "jewish national home" refers to the current culture of Israel with a Jewish ruling caste and the racist policy of semi-apartheid status for Palestinians - the answer is "no""

Can you perhaps elaborate on what you are alleging - perhaps with some specific examples.

Now Russell - I understand why you continually chose to refuse to reveal your true name when I asked you to confirm it.

A person by the name of Russell Walton was asked in another forum:

"Do you understand that "Zionism" is simply the political movement to allow for a Jewish State"

Russell responded:

"Wrong. Zionism is the movement to invade and occupy Palestine"

Are you that Russell?

If you are - then your protestations of one day supporting the existence of Israel as the Jewish National Home when you decide it eventually meets your standards - rings pretty hollow.

Methinks that no matter what the Jews do - it will never be good enough for you to end your incessant denial of the reasons for the the reconstitution of the Jewish National Home by unanimous approval of every state in the League of Nations and the admission of Israel as a member state of the United Nations.

Maybe you should come clean - like your kindred help-mate Emperor Julian did.

The earth will not open and swallow you up - and anonymity has certainly got you nowhere.

Hamas and the PLO revel in being called "Jew haters". That is their raison d'etre. You will be welcomed with open arms as one of their supporters.
Posted by david singer, Monday, 12 August 2013 5:54:12 PM
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David Singer,

You've obviously nothing left but ad hominem attacks and a vindictive attitude which is understandable of course. BTW, don't believe everything you see on the Net, you didn't see the wood for the trees.LOL.

I've had enough of the Zionist swamp for the time being
Posted by mac, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 8:22:32 AM
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#To mac/Russell Walton

Your refusal to answer my post is worth a thousand words.

Seek solace and comfort among those Hamas and PLO supporters who seek the same outcome as you - the elimination of Israel as the Jewish National Home.

Good riddance.
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 10:24:16 AM
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Singer, don't become irritable and mean. I mean, why not become a Buddhist? They are such smiling people and not at all up themselves.

To my knowledge, they are liked by most everyone and they don't have armies that they use to steal land from other people and they don't occupy people and tread them into the ground and call them subhuman.

Yes, I think a whole new future await you, Singer. I can see you in a saffron-coloured robe walking around the streets in sandals with a begging bowl in your hands, a pleading look on your love-filled face.

Being filled with love for humanity would give you a whole new outlook on life. People would like you.

Wouldn't that be a nice change?
Posted by David G, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 3:48:42 PM
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