Yes Antiseptic I'm sure we could.

However on the question of Rudd we have no meeting point. From the first time I watched him on TV swearing undying love & support for Beasley, with his knife clutched behind his back, I could see straight through him. I wondered if the average Ozzie, with little interest in politics, would apply enough attention to see through him too. Unfortunately the answer was no.

Every single thing he has done in those 7 years has only reinforced my disgust at his duplicity. He is nothing but a con job, although a good one, but it is good to see more Ozzies have taken the time to see through him.

The mere sight or sound of him is enough to have me changing channels, or turning off. I gather many others , like me, who usually would take some time to find the remote, now have it immediately available.

My dislike is that strong that even at the computer, where I can only hear the TV, I have the remote to hit the mute button, should the station be silly enough to have him on.

If the advertisers realized how many feel & act this way, they would demand no Rudd stories or advertisements where they advertise.

Why is it that Labor today, has gathered all the no hopers together? Rudd, Carr & now Beattie, it is almost a jamboree for failures. And they want to run the country? God help us.

Fair enough, but you haven't told me why you think he's a fake, all you've done is say that you feel a sort of visceral dislike. That may well come more from a dislike of the ALP than the man, perhaps?

Antseceptic,
In all his appearances his shallow character shines through the fake intelligence backed by his lack of competence. For someone to support this egoist in his quest for the top job is nothing short of frightening. How shallow are the supporters of that egomaniac ?
I suppose that's why ALP Governments don't do anything about real education, keep the young & vulnerable ignorant & turn them into mindless followers.

Antiseptic, just a few points.

Global warming was the greatest moral issue of our time when he could use it as election issue, & thought it would win him a top job at the UN. Worth nothing, now it is not a vote winner, only worth some tax to try to cover their stupid spending.

Boat people. Used as a moral issue to secure inner urban vote. Now he kicks them harder than anyone, to try to buy the western Sydney vote.

Whitlam may have been an unworldly fool, but he had principles & believed in what he tried to do. This bloke is an unworldly fool, who believes in nothing but KRudd. That TV Mr. nice guy is a screaming egotistical maniac in the office.

He is as phony as it is possible to be, & if you can't see it, perhaps engineering is more your bag.

Hasbeen, should someone, having made a decision then never, ever change their POV, or should they be prepared to say "I made a mistake" and look for a new way to do things?

Do you see a virtue in doggedly sticking to something that one knows is wrong? Why?

Anti,

Do you really think it's something he now knows as wrong?

I formed the impression that he now knows that coming down hard on refugees will attract votes to the ALP.

He hasn't explained the principle upon which he's based his change of mind - except to mouth the line about boat deaths.

I also have trouble with this strategy exploiting our poor neighbours.

Bottom line is that it appears he's changed tack for political ends. That's not surprising, but nor is it an indication that Rudd is acting on a new (and better) principle.

(I'm quite uninspired by politics in Australia at present - of both colours)