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By Alex Kats, published 2/8/2013A year later, after 9/11 and the political exploitation of the Tampa incident, xenophobia had crept into our happy society, and people started to be racially and offensively profiled.
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Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 3 August 2013 5:35:40 AM
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LEGO, Thanks.
Most thinkers, including many Jewish intellectuals agree on the causes of Anti Semitism, genuine bigots do act out of ignorance but they never amount to anything in a European society, your Hitlers and Strassers came from a wholly different school of thought. In his essay "The Jewish State" Herzl lays out his views on the causes of Anti Semitism, you can read it here: http://manybooks.net/titles/herzlt2528225282-8.html I also ran across another discussion of relevance the other day between some bright young men, an atheist from the U.K, a non observant Jew from Australia and an American Negro convert to Islam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lQW-1WZ9ZA&feature=c4-overview&list=UUzOnXvfwc32YEiwTe_8Nf-g Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 3 August 2013 7:31:53 AM
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Articles like this exist in a void disconnected from the social reality.
Australia and other Western nations are free and open societies compared to others because of the legal and political structure which is a variation of the Westminster system. This system enshrines individual freedoms. Many immigrants and nearly all the boat people come from societies which do not have individual freedoms and are in fact oppressed by islam. Many of these Islamic illegal refugees do not support the Westminster system; in fact they oppose it. It is alright to bleat about multiculturalism but if cultures within the multi oppose the multi the system is under threat. That basic fact is not even being discussed in Australia; as the article shows the default position is whatever bad things are happening to the boat people it is our fault. This is a pernicious view. People can't be forced to be democratic; however they can be resisted from opposing democracy. The boat people in particular and islam in general oppose democracy. Until that fact is understood and the main item for discussion articles like this are just an exercise in intellectual onanism. Posted by cohenite, Saturday, 3 August 2013 12:32:32 PM
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That's true Cohenite, there's also the idea that Australia is moving toward what the Secular Party have termed a pluralistic theocracy, where a number of religions have been established in this country and are now dominating public life and government.
Be that as it may, the influx of Third world Muslims, Hindus and Christians make the continuation of a "progressive" social agenda far less likely than it would have been when this country had an overwhelmingly Australian born majority, the things "progressives" want will simply not be possible if they themselves are a minority in the electorate. Furthermore we also know for certain now that these Third World moral and religious viewpoints become further entrenched and of much stronger relevance to the identity and self image of the children and grandchildren of migrants. Look also at the way Alex Kats has adopted the Holocaust (or a version of those events at least) as part of his world view and I suppose identity, even though he was in no way personally affected by those events so distant in time and space from his own life. So the results of the great multicultural experiment are in, after three generations there's nothing else to be revealed, we know the facts, what now? Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 3 August 2013 1:10:32 PM
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Soon after the war started, when I was a pre-teen boy living in suburban Melbourne, a new kid called Ann came to live nearby. Making friends I asked where she was from. “Hitler’s country”. I was incredulous, but she really was. Ann, her parents and grandmother, a lovely family - Jewish refugees who had got out across Lake Constance to Switzerland. They had to hide on the Swiss side as the Swiss had an Abbott-style Stop the Boats policy and would have handed them back be murdered. The new family in our street befriended my family - even taught us German. How they got from Switzerland to Australia I don’t know but they weren’t in hiding here, just another working family living in our street. The German language teacher at our school was another Jewish refugee, arrived a couple of years later with the war still on. Refugees used to find their way to England which shunted them to Australia and possibly Canada not because they were Jewish but because they were German – enemy aliens – and England was fighting for its survival.
So what’s all this codswallop about Australia shutting its doors to Jewish refugees? I've something to say about Australian liberty and the Westminster system but will save it for another post. Posted by EmperorJulian, Saturday, 3 August 2013 2:32:25 PM
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What makes Australians unwelcoming to immigrants? Here’s a clue. Australia is a wealthy community, and has a standard of individual liberty that far surpasses standards in much of the world. On the one hand Australians welcome people they know are coming to share prosperity and individual liberty, but would have to be damn fools to welcome people who come to take them away. Especially liberty. Australians have worked their butts off for their material living standards, and Australians and their mainly European antecedents have struggled for centuries and spilled a great deal of blood to win and secure the liberty we take for granted.
Liberty is NOT due to the Westminster system – it is as well established in France, Holland, Belgium, Scandinavia as it is here and in England. What all free countries have in common is the philosophical, moral and political gains made against religion-borne authoritarianism. We term this still ongoing process the Enlightenment. Most Australians accept newcomers of any colour, appearance, ancestry, language once sure they are here to commit fully to our country and contribute to our material prosperity and to our liberty. But immigrants who carry even a HINT of cultural hostility to individual freedom are as good for Australia as cane toads. Liberty is too fragile to allow us to import colonies of its enemies, no matter how they arrive. They should be weeded out at the border, even if sometimes-well-meaning dupes call defence of liberty this-or-that-ophobia. Posted by EmperorJulian, Saturday, 3 August 2013 3:55:54 PM
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I should have made a better job of my post, but I got so damned angry at the blatant moralising hypocrisy of Alex Kats, that I snatched up my keyboard and started banging away.
If there is one race on Earth who should know the value of seizing a territory to protect their own people, their own culture and their sense of national identity, it is the Jews. I certainly do not blame the Jews for creating a Jewish state in what was once their home territory anyway, and doing to the Muslims what the Muslims have been doing to them for the last 1300 years.
If the Jews want to create a Jewish state run by Jews who's first priority is protecting Jews and protecting Jewish culture, then good luck to them. But it sticks in my craw when a Jew in Australia tells Australians that we should not do the same thing as the Jews do in Israel. There seems to be some sort of strange logic from tertiary educated people, that every culture on earth must be protected, except that of European whites.
I do believe that one good reason for anti Semitism is because of the attitudes of Jews like Alex Kats. There has always been a presumption that Jews are only concerned for the welfare of Jews, and they will advocate any policy which benefits their own people. That is OK in Israel, but if you are a Jew and you live anywhere else, it means that your primary loyalty is to your own race and religion. So you can't complain if your host population suspects you of disloyalty and treats you with suspicion and mistrust.
Now along comes a Jew like Alex Kats who seems to confirms this suspicion. He advocates a policy which harms the Australian people and their economy, is designed to ultimately destroy the sense of Australian national identity, attacks Australian nationalism, but benefits his own people by making Australia a safe bolt hole for asylum seeking Jews.