Kerry is indeed lucky to have as an advisor with the experience of Martin Indyk, author of 'An Innocent Abroad'. Indyk, no longer 'an innocent' may have the chance to get Kerry to see thought the likes of Abba and Erekat , both with the skills of their chairman predecessor to never letting an opportunity fail to pass them by.

Meanwhile, Abbas states ‘"In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands". Does this also mean that in the final resolution, every Isreali Palestinian citizen, voter and or elected member of the Knesset should be forcefully 'repatriated' to the 'new' Palistinian state?

Kerry is the new 'innocent abroad' who is about to be chewed up by the miasma of lying, deceit, greed and murder that is the modus opperandi of Palistinian governance.

Alert, alert, be on your guard!

When the Singer starts attacking Abbas and Erekat you know that there is more dirty work being done at the crossroads!

Since the election of HAMAS in a democratic election, Israel, and its partner in crime, the U.S., has been feting Abbas and manipulating Abbas while, at the same time, building more settlements like there is no tomorrow!

Abbas, a traitor of infinite proportions has enjoyed his betrayal of the Palestinian people and his suspect importance.

And now that Kerry is the latest fraudulent 'Palestinian Saviour' there is more talk and more promises all of which will come to nothing.

After the talk (which will add significantly to Global Warming), the Jews will still occupy the West Bank and blockade Gaza and continue with their brutal, genocidal occupation.

If the world were to be rid of the U.S. and Israel, there would be a chance of peace in our chaotic, conflicted world.

Surely, anyone with half a brain can see that!

David G,
You're starting to sound like David Duke.

Mr Singer,
Why is it vital that we support closed borders and a permanent Jewish majority for Israel when Jewish activists like Barbara Lerner-Spectre and Alana Lentin demand open borders for all majority European countries?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/23/open-borders-australia-asylum-seekers?CMP=twt_gu
Maybe if Israelis and diaspora Jews weren't so vocal in their disdain for Europeans generally and their steadfast support for mass non European migration we White folk might be a bit more supportive of Israel and the Zionist agenda. It's a two way street, why should Jews be a special case?

Looks to me like the Americans have at long last
tired of feeding this lot like Singer who they have
kept afloat under pressure with no reciprocity.
This one has the hallmarks of
meaning business.

As always, the "peace process" sought is a surrender process. No arrangement that leaves an armed racist settler enclave to overlook a gaggle of unarmed Palestinian Bantustans would be accepted. Only the dismantling of Israel, root and branch, will end the resistance.

Emperor Julian,
Israel has nuclear weapons and in the past some radical elements in the "Far Right" have stated that if Israel is abandoned by the West and goes under they have the capacity and the willpower to take out Rome and Athens in retaliatory strikes.

Jay of Melbourne,

"they have the capacity and the willpower to take out Rome and Athens in retaliatory strikes."

I'll take that as a scenario.

Reminds me of Hitler's megalomaniacal ravings during the last days of the Third Reich, if the Europeans and Americans take that drivel seriously they might already have plans for a preemptive nuclear attack on Israel before the mad Zionists destroy the sources of Western civilisation. As the Americans say "it's a no-brainer".

Mac.
Hitler was talking about "Wonder Weapons" which either did not exist as practical concepts or were still in prototype, there is a "conspiracy" milieu which puts about the idea that the Germans had viable prototype Nukes at the Skoda works in Czechoslovakia up until 1944 and believes that this is what Hitler was talking about but it's not proven.
The Israelis however actually do have submarines and aircraft capable of launching a nuclear armed missile.

Jay,

Agreed. That sort of hubristic threat can't be dismissed completely.

Mac, the mad Zionists are a worry but the imperial U.S. is a larger one.

The problem is that they are both tarred with the same brush. Both seek infinite power, both see war and plundering as the answer, and both see themselves, just like the Germans, as exceptional and superior!

Australia needs to be independent of these two rogue powers before we are drawn into a nuclear war!

David G,

"Australia needs to be independent of these two rogue powers before we are drawn into a nuclear war!"

That's a dream, unfortunately.

Australians are so committed to the "Great and Powerful Friend" fantasy, that the chances of this country leaving the US alliance are negligible, particularly since China's rise. Most likely, in a crisis, the Americans would abandon Australia ( as the British did in 1942) if it suited their strategic interests. So much of US foreign policy seems to be warped because of its pro-Israel policies that it's difficult to separate the two. I remember a US foreign policy commentator saying ---"America has its allies but Israel is family", US foreign policy might be transformed if israel was treated as the predator that it is.

# To Jay of Melbourne

You ask:

"Why is it vital that we support closed borders and a permanent Jewish majority for Israel?"

"...why should Jews be a special case?"

Answer: Because Israel is the Jewish National home legally sanctioned by the unanimous approval of all member states of the League of Nations under the Mandate for Palestine in 1922 and preserved to this day by article 80 of the UN Charter.

The Mandate constitutes a binding agreement in international law that is as operative today as it was when promulgated.

Those who deny the legal effect of the Mandate and the UN Charter prefer to pursue the law of the jungle. That is their prerogative - but it has brought them little cheer for the last 90 years.

Do you really find the idea of one Jewish homeland so difficult to support when there are 57 Islamic states each with a permanent Moslem majority that are mostly not prepared to entertain any idea that Jews should have just one state like the 57 they possess?

The European treatment of Jews as evidenced by such events as the Spanish Inquisition, Britain's 1939 White Paper, the Holocaust and the manifold attacks on Jews throughout Europe in recent years only serves to justify the wisdom and foresight of the League of Nations to set aside 0.01% of the captured Ottoman territories for Jewish self-determination as part of an arrangement which saw the Arabs getting the remaining 99.99%.

Jay of Melbourne warns: "Israel has nuclear weapons and in the past some radical elements in the "Far Right" have stated that if Israel is abandoned by the West and goes under they have the capacity and the willpower to take out Rome and Athens in retaliatory strikes."
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He's right. Racist Israel is more than an abomination in the Middle East, it is a threat to the 7bn people it considers not to be racially "special". Us. All the more reason to stop keeping it alive, and to target it with overwhelming nuclear might if it retaliates against civilisation for refusing to back its play. The Zionists may be blinded by their belief that God will protect them. Nobody and nothing will.

David Singer,

"Answer: Because Israel is the Jewish National home legally sanctioned by the unanimous approval of all member states of the League of Nations under the Mandate for Palestine in 1922 and preserved to this day by article 80 of the UN Charter."

So a group of European imperialists, in collaboration with Zionists decided how the Arab lands would be allocated. What was the result of the Arab vote on the proposal, or the of Palestinians, the inhabitants of the area coveted by the Zionists? Apparently they voted for annihilation....of course they're Arabs, they're all the same, they can move to other Arab countries. Why the sudden respect for the UN, Israel is notorious for ignoring UN resolutions. Why didn't the Roma, those forgotten victims of the Nazis get a homeland?

#To mac

You state:

"So a group of European imperialists, in collaboration with Zionists decided how the Arab lands would be allocated. What was the result of the Arab vote on the proposal, or the of Palestinians, the inhabitants of the area coveted by the Zionists?"

Your statement is factually inaccurate for the following reasons:

1. Your claim that the land was Arab land is incorrect. It was Ottoman land and had been so for the previous 400 years until conquered by the Allied Powers in World War 1 and allocated 99.99% to the Arabs and 0.01% to the Jews

2. There was no identified group called "Palestinians". The Arab residents of Palestine were included among "the existing non-Jewish communities" which included people other than Arabs then living in Palestine.

3. The Arabs were consulted and initially agreed to this allocation of territory. Their greed later consumed their commonsense

4. The allocation of 0.01% of the Ottoman lands for the reconstitution of the Jewish National Home was unanimously approved by every member of the League of Nations

Albania, Argentina, Australia,Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, British India, Bulgaria, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba,
Czechoslovakia, Denmark, El Salvador, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras,Italy, Japan, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes, Latvia, Liberia, Lithuania, Luxembourg,
Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Persia, Peru, Poland, Portugal,Republic of China, Romania, Siam, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Union of South Africa, United Kingdom, Uruguay, and Venezuela.

Note your bete-noire America was not even a member of the League at that time.

You then state:

"Why the sudden respect for the UN, Israel is notorious for ignoring UN resolutions"

Name one UN binding resolution that Israel has breached. That is what counts.

You then ask:

"Why didn't the Roma, those forgotten victims of the Nazis get a homeland?"

If they had one - they probably have never claimed it.

The Kurds do - and they have been denied self determination by Syria,Iraq,Turkey and Iran.

Your Jew-hatred is sure eating you up big time.

David Singer,

1. Sophistry. There were Arabs living in what is now Israel, the Ottoman Empire was a multi-ethnic multi-religious state, ruled by an ethnic Turkish elite, the Ottomans.

2. The inhabitants of Palestine, whether they were called Arabs or Palestinians had homes, families, land and heritage, all that was destroyed by the Zionists.

3 The "Arabs were consulted", nonsense, they were not. What happened, in fact, is that the imperialist powers selected corrupt, puppet tribal leaders to 'represent' the Palestinians--the entire squalid process is described in Chapter 9 of Eugene Rogan's book, "The Arabs-A History".

4. Why is that decision of the UN sacrosanct, the Zionists usually treat the UN with contempt, no legal hair-splitting allowed.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/study-israel-leads-in-ignoring-security-council-resolutions-1.31971

"Your Jew-hatred is sure eating you up big time."--you still haven't accepted my challenge to provide examples.

So far you've demonstrated you anti-Arab racism, that's unsurprising as Zionism is a racist ideology, the Terra Nullius claim in relation to Palestine is deeply racist.

#To Mac

1. Zionism is a movement espoused by an overwhelming majority of Jews and a large number of Christians that support the right of the Jewish people to reconstitute the.Jewish National Home in their ancient and biblical homeland.

2. That entitlement was given binding legal standing by the unanimous decision of all member states of the League of Nations.

3. The Peel Commission in 1937 reaffirmed that entitlement.

4. The United Nations Charter in article 80 confirmed that entitlement.

5. The United Nations in 1947 confirmed that entitlement.

6. The United Nations has reversed it's earlier decision that Zionism is racism.

If you are not prepared to accept xll of these above statements then in my opinion you are a Jew -hater.

I don't expect everyone to love Jews. You have an entitlement to hate Jews if you wish.

Don't stand on your high horse and pretend not to be what you are..

Do you support the right of the Jewish people to have their own State in their ancient and biblical homeland as affirmed by the above decisions? A one word response - "Yes" or "No" will suffice.

"I don't expect everyone to love Jews," says Singer in a rare moment of honesty.

Why should we given what they do to the Palestinians and have done since 1948?

I don't think that Jews are capable of love. Their religion gets in the road.

Their god is loveless and punitive and so are they!

Davis Singer,

"Do you support the right of the Jewish people to have their own State in their ancient and biblical homeland as affirmed by the above decisions? A one word response - "Yes" or "No" will suffice." It's rather an insult to assume that I'd take the bait, or are you desperate?

A one word answer to the above might be sufficient for a propagandist, however there are ethical issues that require explanation.

You mention Christian support for Zionism, that includes some fundamental American Christian looneys, who as result of their religious mania imagine that, by supporting the Zionist cause, they're hastening the arrival of their Messiah and the conversion of the Jews. That's cynicism worthy of Machiavelli himself.

In my opinion, whatever the legal issues involved in its creation, Israel is the result a colonial enterprise that should never have been undertaken, however, that's also true of Australia, NZ and all the states of the Americas. So, "what's done is done" and Israel exists as as a Jewish state. My answer to the question "Does Israel have right to exist?", might surprise you, it's in fact "yes", Israel's treatment of the surviving Palestinians is another matter entirely.

"I don't expect everyone to love Jews. You have an entitlement to hate Jews if you wish.

Don't stand on your high horse and pretend not to be what you are.."

You have resorted to ad hominem attacks, which is not surprising, it's characteristic of some members of "ethnic/religious minorities", who have assumed that they have a licence to insult others, particularly the majority Anglo Celtic community.
It's also a conceit to imagine (or claim) that all criticism of Israel is motivated by anti-Semitism-- of course it's a often a ploy and obviously it's been effective, but increasingly less so, and probably, in the long term, counter-productive. The previous effectiveness of accusations of "anti-Semitism" is most likely the inspiration for the invention of "Islamophobia."

Stop using insults instead of logical arguments.

Dear Propete,

You wrote;

“lying, deceit, greed and murder that is the modus opperandi of Palistinian governance.”

There was an interesting report that came out last month about the state of corruption in Israel.
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Israel-among-most-corrupt-of-OECD-countries-319315

“over 80 percent of Israelis believe that personal contacts are important or very important for getting things done in the public sector – with only Lebanon, Ukraine and Russia reporting equally high results.”

“Similarly, Israel ranked second to only Greece among Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development nations on the perception that government is run by a few big interests, described by Transparency International as a sign of “deep-rooted failures of governance.”

“Seventy-three percent of Israelis identified their government as captured by special interests, as compared to 62% of Mexicans, 49% of Turks and 5% of Norwegians.”

But this one was probably the most interesting;
“12% of Israelis report having paid bribes in the last year, in the dubious company of such countries as Argentina, the Philippines and Rwanda, and outranking most comparably wealthy countries. The exact same percentage of Palestinians report having resorted to bribery in the last 12 months.”

And finally, surprisingly to me, “Israel’s religious bodies, whose rating of 4.1 ties Sudan for the highest perception of corruption worldwide.”

Palestinian and Israeli governments? Peas in a pod it seems.

#To Mac

You state:

"In my opinion, whatever the legal issues involved in its creation, Israel is the result a colonial enterprise that should never have been undertaken, however, that's also true of Australia, NZ and all the states of the Americas. So, "what's done is done" and Israel exists as as a Jewish state. My answer to the question "Does Israel have right to exist?", might surprise you, it's in fact "yes", "

To me it seems this response is not supportive of Zionism - the political movement of the Jewish people to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in its ancient and historic homeland.

So I will ask you to answer the following question:

Do you believe that Israel has the right to continue to exist as the Jewish national home?

You have also stated:

"Zionism is a racist ideology"

Is this the statement of a Jew-lover or a Jew hater?

David Singer,

"Is this the statement of a Jew-lover or a Jew hater?"

Actually it's a statement about an ideology.

I've made my position clear and you have obviously no other resort than ad hominem attacks. If you ever develop a defence of Zionism that isn't based on ethno-religious chauvinism and anti-Arab racism I'd be very interested to read it, although I think that it would be in the nature of a Zen exercise.

Salaam

In total contrast to the guy who merely collects brownie points with the Hasbara lie factory (see http://www.hasbara.com/), Mac and others have put forward actual matters of principle. I mention Mac because I would like to pursue further some of these matters which he has raised.

1. Does Israel have a right to exist? I would say no. That's for the same reason that I am thankful that Boer South Africa and Nazi Germany and the former British colonies no longer exist.

2. If not Israel, why Australia (and the rest of the nations that grew from an armed invasion)?

Settlement of Australia was a criminal enterprise and its early European inhabitants could have justly been sent packing to their homeland. But those criminal settlers are long dead and Australia now contains only people born here (who are therefore here by birthright) or are here by consent of those born here.

The criminals (and by that I don't mean the convicts) have left behind a vile streak in our national culture but none of the criminals themselves. The original squattocracy, the Redcoats, the opportunists - they are dead bones even though their ideological memes still lurk (cf. racism towards Aborigines, cf. unfolding Obeid drama, cf. glorying in military service when the military adventures themselves have not been honourable, cf. obsequiousness passed on from the Thief of Normandy via Britain, cf. land vandals and their tame pollies). Memes are not people.

3. Racism. Any singling out of people for advantage or disadvantage on grounds of ancestry is racism. Like antisemitism, Zionist racism will exist as a meme but not a legal structure long after Israel has gone. There are about two million settlers in Israel, there under a racist “Law of ‘Return’”. These should be sent home. The exiles have a birthright and so do Jews born in Palestine who are no more responsible for criminal antecedents than we are. A decent one state for Palestine would include all those individuals as equals.

Land vandals and their tame pollies are people, not memes. The corresponding meme is assumed right to vandalise land. Passed on from the squattocracy.

That correction of my bad grammar is my Post No. 4, the last shot in my locker for this thread.

# To mac

You need to answer two more questions:

1. Do you believe that Israel has the right to continue to exist as the Jewish national home?

2. Is your name Russell Walton?

Dear Mr Troll

Mac has answered your Q1, you've referred to his answer and I've commented on it (with an alternative view). Is asking him again and demanding his identity ("you need to amswer" FFS) just accumulating Hasbara score points or some sort of hectoring lawyer stuff? You're not in Israel now, feller.

Emperor Julian,

Thanks.

I must have scored a few points, the desperation is palpable. Your remark about Israel is interesting.

David Singer,

Are you an armchair Zionist or have you been a member of the IDF, or would you join the organisation in the future? Treat that as rhetorical, I really can't be bothered any more. Next round, please lift your game.

Salaam, again.

#To mac

Sorry no salaam until you answer the two questions I asked of you:

1. Do you believe that Israel has the right to continue to exist as the Jewish national home?

2. Is your name Russell Walton?