<<..people are more aware than ever before;>>

of the spin
not the facts..[facts now are capital..only available for the few
in the old days we could find info in rubbis bins..now cyber rubbish bins..ensure we remain incomplete ignorance..till a single outliar is ALLOWED through..via one of few portals..so they can act as honeytraps

<<governments fear popular resistance>>
john thats a joke..its we that fear govt..popular resistance is imposable..in fact...often securities agencies shape the protest..movement..to control it..TRY to join them..ENSURES you will be accused of being the narc*..mate in the trenches..you see the vidio recording us..belongs to the man

i recall its basic mossad policy..[to be the first in]
and who trains most security agencies..[mosTsad]..i recall.,.in the 80's an extremist group got 'busted'..[EVERY member*..was an agent from one agency or other]

ialso rercal security agents..taught bombing..etc

<<which is why truth-tellers are isolated,..smeared and pursued.>>
diss-info 101

only a dreamer..could say this..is true today
or even possable in this day/age

<<Momentous change almost always..begins with the courage of people taking back their own lives against the odds.>>

justwalk-away from your life/family friends
trust others with their own agendas/own masters

<<There is no other way now.>>

,<<Direct action. Civil disobedience.>>
is only color..media bites..
or because its told to
then only approved signs are seen clearly..and their spokesmen will talk *for you.

<<Unerring.>>

yes itsd systemised completly

<"Ye are many; they are few".>>
but hold all the cards..ownthe game..
And do it..when/where how.. and as they chose..regardless.

only mugs think they*..can change anything
lie back and think of england...the effectively..all true pro-test driven change..is over

Hi John,

The age of nanny state, socialization of everything and the need for government to have a role in and the authority over how to run our lives is alive and well.

This started with socialist activism and we are all paying a heavy price today. So it is with astonishment that you now blame the progression of socialism on the big end of town.

You answer to the problems you have created is << Momentous change almost always begins with the courage of people taking back their own lives against the odds. There is no other way now. Direct action. Civil disobedience. Unerring. >>

Good for you, start another social revolution.

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds

John Pilger states--
"The Edward Snowden revelations show the infrastructure of a police state emerging in Europe, especially Britain.
Yet, people are more aware than ever before; and governments fear popular resistance
– which is why truth-tellers are isolated, smeared and pursued."

Why do we need increased security in Britain, Europe and Australia
John. One word. Multiculturalism.

You and your fellow radical, green, communistic hippie types are
the blame for the need for a police state.

John Pilger has tried harder than most to impoverish our society. He should now hide his head in gross embarrassment.

it seems john..re the topic..to have raised ire

we live in a reality where we will need to..yet again play out and empower/elect..from a chosen elite..chosen..either by wealth enough to buy votes

or..known just enough to give faint hope of true change..
or backdoor backroom men ..of the ol blue school ties..running the two party farce

iexpect this article leads up to julians group
well mate ..IF so..do somethng NEW*..bring in REAL CHANGE

see how we should be voting on specific people
WHO AVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY TAUGHT TO GOVERN..[governing to me is an auditing role..]..!

the minister for war..,must be auditing the war machine ARISTOCRACY
the minister FOR forests..there FoR healthy forestland
OVERSEEING the forestry...budgets /beuro-crazey..

he/she MUST study..to the topic..for which they seek election
we then pick and chose who gets the keys to the which trough..and
meet the budget expenditure..AND COMPULSORY ASSESSMENT prosecution for malfeasance..AFTER*

in short we chose..not party bus loads of bodies
paid by backdoor bureaucrats..to play poli-tricks
[all parties are run by beu-roc-rats..who endorse mostly lawyers]

60%..of govt 'members'..are or were lawyers

The objective of Bush's New World Order and the UN's Agenda 21 is to save the environment by driving most of the people on this planet into abject poverty.

They also have another objective ie An unelected world Govt run by bankers who will own all of the world's energy/resources and issue their currency which will further enslave us through debt.

John Pilger's socialist philosophy did not create poverty on this planet. It is the bankers debt money creation system that expresses increases in growth + inflation as debt.

And so the conspiracy theories of Pilger and Arjay meet. Fascinating.

Or - horrors ! - is Arjay Pilger ?!

It all makes sense now .....

ok its only alanjones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK-tule4S4c
but revealing the systematized..rampant binding/exclusion/control
occurring globally..

that gets worse when minorities..do deals.

its only too easy to hurt others
if your not serving others..your serving selfish special interests

satanist works..why not..this is satans realm

anyhow..back to julians party..
how many lawyers..serving which adjenda's?

lets talk about solutions..

this backs up johns topic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6XfwGbDt0Y

includes how police arnt there to protect us from them
but them from the source of fear they perceive us to be

its supposed to be 100minutes long
but rekon..it wont play in full..like the last one..[that cut off at 37 minutes];..total control..but how will julian/or john change that..

they will just be faulse hope..like obama..n
ow playing live war games with..george's buche'$$ toys

makes me wonder..
was the new figure head king..
named after bushe'..jnr or senior of 911 flame

Arjay
"the UN's Agenda 21 is to save the environment by driving most of the people on this planet into abject poverty."

What has driven most of the people on this planet into abject
poverty is male dominated, religious, countries. 7billion people and
rising. All the refugees and boat people are fleeing in large
part from these countries. They have been turned into hell holes
by their delusional, wouldn't have a clue, leaders.

I do agree with what you say Arjay, in the sense, that there are now
too many people depending on too much of the world's land and resources to save the environment.
People need these resources to survive.

7billion people, it's just sheer stupidity. Cut that number by a third and the earth would be the lush and plentiful planet it was
100years ago.

sorry, I meant divided by 3 in the above post.

Cherful,

World food production went up by 7 % last year. World population rose probably 1.5 % ?

Cheers,

Joe
www.firstsources.info

Loudmouth,

You are ignoring the issue of environmental overshoot, of whether the increased production is sustainable. See

http://www.footprintnetwork.org/images/uploads/Ecological_Footprint_Atlas_2010.pdf

The essential problem is that we are depleting renewable resources faster than they can be replenished. One example is depletion of groundwater. This site discusses the problem in the US, but it is also a very serious issue under wheat growing areas in Northern India and Northern China. No water, no food.

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/gwdepletion.html

There is also the issue of nonrenewable resources that are vital for agriculture. For example, Australia would suffer drastic cuts in agricultural productivity without phosphate rock. Phosphorus is an essential element for plant growth. The trend in prices indicates that phosphate is becoming scarcer and more expensive.

http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/phosphate-rock/all/

The lower grade phosphate sources also have problems with heavy metal contamination.

If food is really no problem, why did the FAO World Food Price Index get so high and stay so high?

http://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/foodpricesindex/en/

The article "How we are impoverished, gentrified and silenced" appears to have been copied from the New Statesman. It appears on John Pilger's website saying "This article first appeared in the New Statesman 25 July 2013": http://johnpilger.com/articles/how-we-are-impoverished-gentrified-and-silenced-and-what-to-do-about-it

Divergence,

In today's paper, an article in the Business section pointed out that the phosphate price had more than halved since about 2007. That doesn't augur well for your Doomsday Scenario :)

Joe

CHERFUL

‘What has driven most of the people on this planet into abject
poverty is male dominated, religious, countries’

What has driven most of the people on this planet into abject poverty is a well-worn set of economic policies designed to hijack each nation’s sovereign wealth and channel it into the coffers of a small minority of rich people. Whether people are living in affluent nations, developing nations, destitute nations or countries riddled by permanent war, the same economic principles apply. It also matters little whether countries are male-dominated and religious or liberal and secular.

Hand in hand with this economic system is a well-oiled propaganda machine designed to brainwash populations into idolizing the rich as symbols of success and as bountiful providers of jobs and prosperity. At the same time, they are brainwashed to despise and distrust other poor people as freeloaders, looters and criminals, as the majority is forced to scramble for whatever limited wealth is left after the rich have taken their share.

Loudmouth,

As you can see from the graph that I linked to, the phosphate rock price has come down since 2007, but it is still a lot higher than before 2007, say in 2003. It looks a bit like the crude oil situation.

http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Historical_Oil_Prices_Chart.asp

The low hanging fruit has been picked, leading to shortages until lower grade sources (tar sands and other forms of unconventional oil) could be exploited, but at a cost that is greater than before the crisis.

The commodities expert Jeremy Grantham, the chief investment strategist of Grantham Mayo van Otterloo, frankly admits that he is Malthusian on the basis of commodities trends.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-walker/jeremy-grantham-has-bad-n_b_3208978.html

The issue isn't just one commodity, it is a lot of different resources, so a huge new resource or a technological fix for one of them isn't going to help us that much. If the groundwater is all gone, abundant phosphate won't help us grow more food.