Poirot,

It's true that Howard made a grave mistake by not stepping aside for Costello. Just imagine if Costello had become PM and saved us from 5 years of Labor-Green-Independent lunacy.

Unfortunately for the rest of the country the Liberals did what they thought was honourable - they refused to remove the second most successful PM in our history. They felt he had earned the right to decide himself. They put principle before power.

i understand why they thought it was the right thing to do but, gee, just imagine for a moment where we'd be after 5 years of a Costello government:
- no boats, no deaths at sea and no billions every year paying for them
- no hundreds of billions in debt
- no carbon tax shipping jobs off shore
- no war on men, foreign workers, blue ties, rich people, miners...
- no return to 1970s labour laws
- no billions for schools.....so schools can have billions

Just imagine a world without the Labor government of the past 5 years! Too good to be true.

dane what you've posted about men and women and honour is lacking in honour and honesty.

Its a sexist rant that ignores just how decent and honourable most women are and how lacking in honour some men are.

The views youve expressed here are baseless, sexless tripe.

R0bert

I'll second that R0bert. We need to move away from the polarised, entrenched views that professional feminist agitators have fostered and toward a more useful approach that recognises inherent differences without demeaning them and permits us all the chance to be fully human, not merely cogs in an inhuman corporate machine.

Robert,
So listing the failings of our worst PM ever is a rant? Pathetic.

This is a woman who after conducting a war on 'misogyny' against those evil men in 'blue ties' then had the audacity to sit down for a knitting photoshoot.

A woman who told bald-faced lie after bald-faced lie.

Where is the honour in that?

You are the sexist. You think women should be held to different standards than men.

Thank god the rest of us will have the opportunity to throw out the trash on September 14. And no phoney 'sexism' debate will save Labor.

Susan on line,

it is percular that you question about the state of the Abbott's relationship. Equally It is not surprising that nobody has raised the least objection.

I suspect most will have laughed at the absurdity in the question you are putting about the Abbotts.

Nobody laughed at the very same absurdities contained in the question Sattler put to Gillard.

Therein lies the difference between Abbott and Gillard.

In most people's minds the Abbott's are above question, while Gillard and Mathieson aren't.

That accounts for the furore.

Cheers

No dane, listing the failings of Gillard is fine by me. As for worst PM, not sure Rudd gave it a good run during his brief stint.

The bit that bothers me is the generalisations about women and the implied generalisatiins based on your comments about honour and loosing face etc.

I object when feminists suggest that women will make a better job because of some claimed feminine virtues supposedly not generally available to men, I object when men make equivalent claims.

I've not seen any reason to believe that overall my own gender is any more or less ethical than the female gender. Some different ways of doing things but thats tactics rather than ethics or honour.

Its not Gillards gender thats the problem, its Gillard, its what she and her party believe.

R0bert