'I would suggest that all men who really didn't want a baby, but want the fun of sex, look after their own contraception...just to be sure.
If they don't, then they are agreeing to pay for the consequences.'

Nice trolling.

Why don't you have the same attitude to women and abortion? Why aren't you saying to women if they have sex and don't want a baby, they should look after their own contraception? Why aren't they agreeing to pay for the consequences? Why should they be allowed a way out and a man not?

Suze I think it's hard for these guys to comprehend that your position is...

Contraception fails:

Women should have reproductive rights
Men shouldn't have any

In the end your general tone makes me a bit sad for you. I think it exposes the fact that you don't really like sex, and rather resent men 'getting' sex from women in general. Your attitude is that women get nothing out of sex, so why should they have to suffer when contraception fails. Sex is for men, and women don't get as much out of it. You need to find a better lover me thinks.

'Wouldn't all separated fathers who didn't want to give money for their kids then say they didn't want them in the first place?'

As has been discussed, men would have a similar window after finding out about the baby to reject the responsibility of the baby. There is much social and financial support for single mothers, if the woman really still wants to have the baby and bring it up her own she can, if she thinks it will affect her lifestyle too much (which is somehow invalid in your mind if the guy decides the same), then she can abort. I don't see the problem.

Oh alright then boys, I'm a nasty, sex hating, man hating feminist !
I'll bet all that ranting and raving made all you guys feel smug and superior hey?

I give up.

I think I have said all I want to say, and yet it is still not right, or enough for you guys.
I guess I just have to continue to be happy communicating well with my husband, brothers, father and nephew.

But then again, none of them have been as badly hurt by women as you all have been,
and I really am sorry for how you seem to feel about women.

Suzie, why not deal with the isssue rather than the rant?

You support a position which can only be defended on the basis of sexist double standards and continue to avoid addressing that issue.

You may well get on well with the men in your life or possibly they have learned how to avoid your ire, neither makes the sexist position you support on this site any more credible.

The double standards you support may currently be the law, that does not take away our rights to argue against them.

Simple request, tell us why the contraception test is not sufficient for women (other than cases of rape or serious physical risk) yet it is for men.

You've not attempted to do that in any way that actually addresses the issues yet. One simple contrived case and an appeal to a subjective hardship test does not cut it.

R0bert

I'm sorry RObert, but I don't know what you mean by 'contraception test'?
I really do hope that an effective male contraception medication could be found, and then they could avoid unwanted pregnancies, and thus less abortions.

The only problem with that is that many women may not trust their men to take the medication properly, just as some women don't always follow the instructions correctly.

In any case RObert, I'm sick of the personal attacks on me re this subject eg "You may well get on well with the men in your life or possibly they have learned how to avoid your ire..." . It happens a lot on this site, which seems to have far more male posters.

I'm a bit disappointed in you particularly, as I always found you the more moderate of the men on this site who are very obviously full of 'ire'.

To 'Antiseptic'. My name's Christina. I'm keen to chat to you about an issue you raised late last year regarding public housing. I haven't used this site before - is there a way I can private message you to give more detail? Kind regards.

Hello Cristina,
Feel free to ask Graham Young to pass on your details and your interest and I'd be glad to take a look at it.

What was the thread? Perhaps you could start a new thread, or add a post to the one you're interested in?