Dear Alan,

<< spindoc said, “They [JEG and the ALP ] have lost credibility because they have failed to convince the public that they deserve it.”>>

Funny that, I thought I actually offered SIX reasons for JEG’s woes, perhaps you could go back and revisit the others and address them, if you don’t we might conclude you are struggling with your case and need to cherry pick?

You have tried many times to make the case that our media does not give the full story. Many might agree with that however, it does not matter. Like everyone else on the planet (except it seems you) we have to make do with what there is.

It’s clear that you seek to blame the media for Australians not sharing your perspectives on the issues you raise. But the real problem is not the media is it? It’s you! You are the one who cannot come to terms with reality.

This is the reason you keep drilling down into content, you can’t deal with the big picture so you bang on about the content issues. You are presenting a very 6th form debate and it’s starting to make you look a bit juvenile.

yeah, good effort for a 6th grader. Keep working on it AA, you may get there one day.

Alan,
The labor force participation rate you mention is not what your link to the ABS website states.
You claim 75% but they publish it as 65.3%
Also, they include in the figure, surprisingly, that unemployed 5.5%.
So take that away and we are left with less than 60% of Australia's potential workforce (as defined by the ABS) who are actually working.
Even after taking away the aged pensioners, that's still a lot of people sitting back at home on benefits watching The Ellen Degeneres Show.

EC,

Your point has been made to AA before, it is simply that he cares little for the truth. He has patently ignored most of the important economic measures and tabulated a cherry picked series of measures, many of which on examination are clearly flawed, and show the failings of the Labor government.

Hello again,

Today’s brief responses:

@LEGO, re: “you have not lost your creative talent to think up reasons why Australia's $365 billion deficit was a cost effective bargain.”

The deficit is A$19.4 billion.

Re: “could you please display a link?”

Sure.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2013/5/14/federal-budget/budget-2013-budget-flags-194bn-deficit-year

Re: “Item 18, Economic freedom? How many billions did that cost us? What was the return on investment? I look forward to your astute economic analysis.”

All here, Lego:

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

@Spindoc, re: “Like many of us AA won’t be around to see that debt paid off.”

Why not, Spindoc? Have you done the sums? We won’t last another seven or eight years?

Re: “You have tried many times to make the case that our media does not give the full story. Many might agree with that, however, it does not matter.”

Depends what we want in life, Spindoc. Does it matter that most North Koreans believe they live in the greatest paradise on Earth, with the best economy ever, and with the one leader the whole world looks up to with admiration and hero-worship?

Well, Australians are exactly the same. Except the opposite.

@Edward Carson, re: “The labor force participation rate you mention is not what your link to the ABS website states. You claim 75% but they publish it as 65.3%.”

Edward, if you click ‘downloads’ you will find ‘6202.0 - Labour Force, Australia’. Then click on ‘Table 18. Labour force status by Sex - Persons aged 15 to 64 years’.

Then click on line 119.

Voila! Participation rate 76.6%! So it has been adjusted upwards. Excellent.

Re: “Also, they include in the figure, surprisingly, that unemployed 5.5%. So take that away and we are left with less than 60% of Australia's potential workforce (as defined by the ABS) who are actually working.”

Not quite, Edward. Table 18 shows “Persons aged 15 to 64” – which is Australia’s potential workforce. Your 60% is of the entire population, including babies, schoolkids, the elderly and incapacitated. Apples and oranges.

Re: “a lot of people sitting back on benefits watching The Ellen Degeneres Show.”

Hey! What’s wrong with Ellen?!

Cheers,

less generous than Labor.
Alan Austin,
Labor are only overly generous to themselves & their hangers-on. Decent hard-working people get fleeced by Labor like Marino sheep. The Superannuation scheme was probably the only half-decent policy Labor introduced but they totally failed to put safety mechanisms in place for these schemes not to run away with by crooks. I simply don't believe you're telling the truth re being the third best country re pensioners. When the recipients hardly contribute yet get handsome Super whilst those who work for ordinary wages are the ones putting the money in the coffers then that is not a great system. Our pays are utterly out of synch with normalcy. Those working all day get a pittance whilst those with pointless degrees & qualifications get mollycoddled. As far as unfairness goes Australia is probably at the top.
The distribution of wealth in Australia is totally out of synch with real reality. There's no reward for effort yet huge reward for just being there, a sad basis for an economy indeed & a road to nowhere no matter how pretty a picture the likes of you are trying to paint for us. Some of us can still see the canvas underneath.