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We're not racist, just trying to stop boats : Comments
By Lyn Bender, published 11/6/2013There they are on the Bridging Visa to nowhere, waiting for nothing, as nothing continues on. Like an unending scene in Samuel Becket's absurdist play, Waiting for Godot.
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Posted by divine_msn, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 2:37:15 PM
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Misanthrope,
Yup, and now having fled a repressive multicultural system you're nominally part of a target group again unless you submit to Ms Bender's way of thinking, do you see how mad these people are and how brutal any form of multiculturalism is? Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 2:40:12 PM
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Misanthrope,
This isn't just a question of helping a few thousand people in desperate trouble. If the asylum seekers are genuine refugees, then why do they destroy their travel documents? I except the Sri Lankan Tamils who came here directly and might have never had them, but the others have passed through several countries to get to Australia. They never could have done this without travel documents. Since our capacity to help is not unlimited, the help should go to people we definitely know are refugees. There are 5 billion people in the world who live in countries poorer than Mexico, the source of large-scale illegal immigration to the US. We aren't responsible for their plight, and there is no way that we can help all of them. If we open our borders to everyone who just wants a better life, or even just everyone who claims to be a refugee, then we will soon make Australia as poor, populous, and environmentally degraded as the countries that the asylum seekers are risking their lives to escape. You may be able to hightail it back to Eastern Europe, where they have a tougher attitude, but the people who were born here don't have that option. If you think this is just scaremongering, then consider the situation in Western Europe. The UK had half a million asylum claims between 1997 and 2004, not counting dependants who arrived later. About 23% of them were found to be genuine, including after appeal. Another 14% were granted exceptional leave to remain, sometimes for humanitarian reasons, but often because there was no prospect of successfully deporting them. All the rest, with 314,000 claims, had their claims rejected. A failed asylum seeker only had a 24% chance of being deported, so all the others managed to stay in Britain. http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/108 Posted by Divergence, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 2:43:55 PM
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Misanthrope
First as refugees, I question the history of the Tamils, they immigrated from India to Sri Lanka. After 200years there, they waged a 20year, terrorist war(Tamil Tigers,) against The Sri Lankan people for a separate state,(country). In other words they sought to divide Sri Lanka into two. Now they come to Australia as immigrants maybe in a couple of generations they will decide to divide this country in two. Why should we trust them? All around the world we see two tribes,(sects,religious groups,ethnic groups etc.) waging Civil wars over control of countries(territories). Israel and Palestine being one almighty Territorial dog fight, just as an example. Syria being another. Sudan another and so on. Why should you ask white Australia to set their children up for civil war to divide this country up in future generations. The middle Eastern man interviewed by Liz Hayes on 6ominutes last Sunday's Four Corners Program said Britain was 4th on his loyalty list. We let people into our country when they swear allegiance to this country and this country’s people, but it is obvious that they lie when they take this oath. And since this oath of Allegiance is required to become a citizen of Australia they should admit that they have become a citizen by lying and do not give their first loyalty to this country and the people of this country at all but to the people(tribe)from their old country. The above are my, not unreasonable objections, to immigration. You either come on board as a totally loyal Australian or you do not come on board. keep sailing. Another thing, we are not responsible for, is the overpopulated religious quagmires that these people have made of their countries by their irrational beliefs why should we keep bailing them out of a situation made by themselves. And yes, religious groups are tribes or races, when they will not marry outside of their religion. Bloodline donates immediate tribe, sect, group or race. Posted by CHERFUL, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 2:45:43 PM
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It always worries me when I see any material written by a 'health care professional' when they seek to lecture us all on our own personal attitudes and belief systems. Myself, I believe it smacks of a form of 'behaviour modification', a mentally intrusive system practiced by some of the old Psychiatric Centres back in the days of the infamous 'Admission Centres'. Where many of these 'ologists' wished to refine, or modify our beliefs, into thinking and acting in a fashion similar to their own ?
Hi there MISANTHROPE... I'm of the opinion that you possess little or no understanding of the 'Aussie' mentality, notwithstanding you that claim too ? Most of my friends, generally have a pretty well balanced and moderate attitude when it comes to these illegal boat people. All of them including myself, believe it's our moral responsibility to accept those, where it's been determined, their lives are in genuine and immediate peril, and without our assistance could well suffer at the hands of their previous homeland government(s). We also contend, it's our arrant right to protect the integrity of our own sovereign borders, notwithstanding anything to the contrary that the United Nations or anyone else for that matter, might claim differently ! That MISANTHROPE, is not racist ! Perhaps 'mate' you should check your facts a little more thoroughly, before you shoot your mouth off ! Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 3:06:28 PM
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Hi Misanthrope.
If you know a lot of people around the world that say that Aussies are "nothing but a bunch of racist bigots", then those people have just committed an act of racist bigotry themselves. It is just ama-a-a-a-azing. You indirectly declared that racism is wrong, and then you say that you agree with people who have racist attitudes towards Australians. Boing. Boing. Boing. Have you ever heard the term "a contradiction in logic?" As a racist myself, could I welcome you and your friends into the club? You say that you are from Eastern Europe. Hey, no racism there, right? Wrong. Multicultural Czechoslovakia divides into two monocultural societies because the Czechs and the Slovaks prefer to keep their distance from each other. Hitler made himself popular in Eastern Europe by getting rid of the Jews and Gypsies, the Romanians ethnically cleansed the ethnic Germans after WW2, and let's not even mention Yugoslavia. Australia now has the highest proportion of citizens born outside of the country of any other nation state. That this massive shift in ethnic demographics has been achieved without bloodshed, should be perceived as a demonstration of how tolerant Australians are. I don't know which country you came from, Misanthrope, but could I suggest a scenario here? Now, if in your old country, your people were facing the same level of immigration as Australia is doing right now, including people just lobbing up and demanding entry, what would your own people be saying about that? Especially if the new arrivals were creating serious social problems, had social values diametrically opposed to your own, and created ethnic ghettoes with high levels of violent criminal behaviour and endemic welfare dependency? Would they be happy about it? Or would they be incensed that they were becoming strangers in their own land? You know, Misanthrope, I think that all human beings are the same in one way. They don't like people of a different group invading their territory en masse. Especially if the new arrivals create problems and the locals are stuck with the bill to support them. Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 11 June 2013 3:07:50 PM
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I can only shake my head in wonderment and hope my grandchildren are not fighting a civil war in 20 - 30 years time
It beggars my belief that there are people in this country - born and bred, that believe Australia as a sovereign Nation has no right to choose who comes here as a migrant or not. Madness!