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Carbon - a debate without end : Comments

By Everald Compton, published 4/6/2013

So, I sincerely ask Tony Abbott to take his head out of the political sand and make sure that Emissions Trading happens as a matter of pragmatic responsibility.

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Still they keep coming.....Jo Nova and Andrew Bolt.

Re: Mr Nice Guy Watts - "...he will link to the latest data or paper..."

Usually not peer-reviewed, just stuff his cohorts dream up.

Thanks, cohenite.
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 2:02:23 PM
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Thanks for your question cohenite. We all need to look at facts not beliefs. The regional temperatures for Tasmania can be found here
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/region.jsp?lt=wzstate&lc=tas&list=ms
Under monthly summaries try the stats for May and April. So far June is just 4C warmer than the long term average. You'd almost think it's part of a warming trend.
Posted by Taswegian, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 3:29:34 PM
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Tasmania as a whole shows about a 0.9C increase in annual maximum temperature since 1910:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/hqsites/

Some sites show less:

http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/hqsites/site_data.cgi?variable=maxT&area=aus&station=091311&dtype=raw&period=annual&ave_yr=T

Others more:

http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/hqsites/site_data.cgi?variable=maxT&area=aus&station=091293&dtype=raw&period=annual&ave_yr=T

Hot place, Tasmania.
Posted by cohenite, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 8:10:20 PM
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I think that limiting carbon emissions in the clear absence of a way to use them to do something useful other than make plants grow faster is a good idea and getting them out of the atmosphere and into a long-term geological store would be too.

Setting up a stupidly complex tax or trade structure is a non-response. Industry is already looking to the future low-carbon economy for competitive reasons. Encourage that by tightening standards progressively in line with technological advances with strong penalties for non-compliance.

If we happen to need a few extra watts/sq meter in a few thousand years it would be handy to know where to find it.
Posted by Antiseptic, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 8:46:58 PM
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The author is an AGW believer, pure and simple. He even fails to distinguish between carbon and carbon dioxide.

In the past 50 years has any one seen this in May in Perisher Valley:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/977622_10151354896100653_810746678_o.jpg
Posted by Raycom, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 11:24:50 PM
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Good idea, Raycom.

In the past 6,000 years, has anybody seen this in the Peruvian Andes?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/05/world/americas/1600-years-of-ice-in-perus-andes-melted-in-25-years-scientists-say.html?_r=0
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 11:52:02 PM
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