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Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitic per se : Comments

By George Browning, published 24/5/2013

Parliamentarians of both State and Federal Parliaments have been enthusiastically signing the London Declaration which condemns ant-Semitism.

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If you think that the Arabs were a thriving society in the mid-1800s you are sorely mistaken

Try reading this if you can overcome your blatant hatred and closed mind. It's a very good insight into the region

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/747#.UabxtJz4Ict

My family lived in Palestine from 1920 and I can assure you the Arabs were thin on the ground and very much like they are today always ready to fight. My father, who was 2 years old, lost a 19 year old brother in 1922, killed in one of the many Arab riots. Arabs starting arriving from Egypt, Yemen, Lebanon and Syria, which the names will attest to, in the 1930s when the Jews created work for them to do.

Most of the Palestinians did not originate in the land and this is “evident from the family name of many Palestinians:
al-Masri - (Egypt),
al-Iraqi – (Iraq),
al-Trabelsi – (Tripoli, Lebanon), al-Khurani – (southern Syria), al-Tzurani – (Tyre [Tzur], Lebanon), al-Tzidoni – (Sidon, Lebanon), al-Zarkawi – (Zarqa, Jordan)
Posted by SF, Thursday, 30 May 2013 5:21:33 PM
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Bizarre "Palestinian history" argument between Arabs
Posted: 29 May 2013 06:00 AM PDT
In Assabeel, Abdullah Azzak quotes a paper by Muslim Brotherhood personality Professor Abdel Fattah Dukhan. Given at a conference on Palestinian Arab issues, Dukhan argues that the ancient Canaanites were Arabs who fiercely defended their land from the invading Hebrew hordes and held off the invasion for 140 years before David conquered Jerusalem and the Jews occupied this Arab land (way before the Arabs came from, um, Arabia.)

Azzak is pained at this view of history, especially coming from the Muslim Brotherhood. To him, this argument ignores the holiness of the Land of Palestine and Dukhan is ignoring the Quran.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/bizarre-palestinian-history-argument.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/PDbq+%28Elder+of+Ziyon%29

You see, Allah did promise the land to Abraham - who was, of course, Muslim. All the prophets who followed him - Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Jesus - were Muslim too, and they understood the importance of Palestine to the Muslim people. The Hebrews were an Arab tribe and their language is just a variant of Arabic.

The Quran says that David was not a Jewish king but a Muslim as well, and it describes his conquering Palestine as a great event. How can Dukhan ignore this clear Quranic fact??

Today's Jews are not the descendants of the holy prophets of old. Today's Jews are all Khazars, as everyone knows. Hamas founder Ahmed Yassin, and Islamic Jihad founder Fathi Shikaki, and Fatah leader Abu Jihad, are the real descendants of Abraham and the other prophets who Allah promised Palestine to, says Azzak.

You see? It is a fundamental disagreement between people who believe history from a book of myths and those who create their own modern myths.
Posted by SF, Thursday, 30 May 2013 5:32:45 PM
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How does believing in the Palestinians' existence qualify as "blatant hatred"?

That article on "Israel National News" cites Joan Peters' book "From Time Immemorial". That book was systematically debunked by Norman G. Finkelstein. You can read Finkelstein's debunking of "From Time Immemorial" in his book "Image & Reality Of The Israel-Palestine Conflict", and in the book "Blaming The Victims: Spurious Scholarship & The Palestinian Question". The latter was edited by Christopher Hitchens and Edward Said.

The Palestinians are descended from the Canaanites. Yes, their culture became "Arabised" after the Arab conquest, such as by adopting the Arabic language. But they are still indigenous to the area.
Posted by fungus, Thursday, 30 May 2013 5:42:57 PM
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How come you take the word of the loony Left?? Amazing. Finkelstein another self hating Jew!! Your non existent people calling themselves Palestinians are Arabs. Research has shown that.

**PART ONE**

The PLO was founded as an antisemitic movement
Ma'an reports:
President Mahmoud Abbas on Tuesday hailed the creation of the Palestine Liberation Organization as the most significant event in Palestinian people's history.

"(Ahmad) Shuqeiri was asked to figure out what the Palestinians wanted, and he returned with the convention for the PLO," Abbas said at a meeting to mark the 49th anniversary of the PLO's founding.

"We should remind ourselves that this is the most important and significant event in the history of the Palestinian people," the president added.
It is nice that Abbas is admitting that the "Palestinian people" aren't very ancient. What other people who have been around for millennia would say that their most significant event was the founding of an organization in 1964? Imagine the Greeks saying that the most important event in their history was something so trite and recent.

However, this anniversary gives us the opportunity to revisit the original PLO charter, which stated:
Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area.
According to the PLO, areas occupied by Arabs were already "liberated." Only the parts controlled by Jews were meant to be targeted to obtain their goals.

Curiously, the words "state" and "independence" are also missing from the charter in relationship with its goals. So is any mention of an ancient and historic Palestinian Arab people.

If the original goal of the PLO was not to create a state, not to be independent, and not even to re-establish an ancient homeland, then what was its raison d'ętre?
Posted by SF, Thursday, 30 May 2013 10:08:49 PM
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'How come you take the word of the loony Left?? Amazing. Finkelstein another self hating Jew!! Your non existent people calling themselves Palestinians are Arabs. Research has shown that.'

How is Finkelstein a self-hating Jew?

Yes the Palestinians are Arabs. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

Here is a link to a website called 'Palestine Remembered'. It's a memorial website to all the Palestinian villages that you claim never existed. It also has statistics for Palestine's 19th Century population that you say never existed. http://www.palestineremembered.com/

Here's a quote from page 14 of Ilan Pappe's book 'A History of Modern Palestine: One Land, Two Peoples': 'On the eve of the Crimean war, about half a million people lived in the land of Palestine. They were Arabic-speaking. Most were Muslims, but about 20,000 were Christians of various denominations, and around 20,000 were Jews.'
Posted by fungus, Friday, 31 May 2013 3:02:26 PM
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You are right about NewMatilda, SamC. I got chucked off after only five posts.

Can anyone beat that?

No wonder the left has such inbred views. One thing that these "tolerance" advocating lefties do not tolerate, is diversity of opinion.
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 1 June 2013 8:26:03 AM
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