"cohenite's specialty is unnecessarily malignant comment."

Wrong as usual burqa girl, my specialty is NECESSARY malignant comment; it's the only way to deal with the persistence nonsense of commentators like your good self.

Saltpetre; I have no idea what your are talking about; I asked before in response to your panegyric about trains what do you think trains run on, wind or solar 'power', and you ignored this point.

Trains run on either diesel or electricity supplied by fossils; what do you envisage, a few locos with sails on their roofs?

Belief in renewables is a 'modern' version of a cargo cult; there is no rationale or sense in its acolytes. If renewable and AGW believers had an ounce of sense they would concentrate on making fossils and nuclear more efficient and safer until the exotics, thorium/fusion/ ZPE come on tap.

Instead we have this stream of moralising amphigory about a brave new world of fresh air and pixies on each corner while good old mother nature tucks humanity into bed every evening.

Really, it's like talking to nasty little 10 year old children

"Really it's like talking to nasty little 10 year old children."

That's given me my best laugh of the evening, cohenite.

Here's the guy calling people "burqa girl" and "Tinkerbell", who finds it difficult in the extreme to hold up an argument on this forum without resorting to childish name-calling.

Come to think of it, a forum comprising only nasty little 10 year old children would be about your speed.

"Come to think of it, a forum comprising only nasty little 10 year old children would be about your speed."

I thought so to, but I was banned from Open Mind; perhaps I should retry the other kindergartens at Sks and Deltoid.

As I say Poirot, until you and your fellow youngen's can understand that islam is bad and that there is a difference between fossil and nuclear energy and the corporate mongrels who own this energy you'll remain dancing in the moon-beams.

The climate doomsayers have had their day. The climate scare campaign has lost its effect.

And carbon pricing is over too. There can be no global carbon pricing scheme, and without a global carbon pricing scheme, local carbon pricing schemes cannot survive. With less than full participation the cost penalty for participants would be huge.

For evidence of the waning interest see these Activity charts.
Climate change: http://climatechange.carboncapturereport.org/cgi-bin/topic?
Carbon credits: here: http://carboncredits.carboncapturereport.org/cgi-bin/topic?

These charts show the interest is waning world wide since the peak at Copenhagen in 2009. The charts show the interest in climate change and carbon credits in the English speaking media world wide.

Click on the headings at the top of the page to see the activity charts for alternative energy, biofuels, geothermal, solar, wind, hydroelectric, nuclear, coal, natural gas oil. Interest in alternative energy is declining.

Further evidence the declining interest is the collapse of the EU and Chicago carbon markets:

EU carbon price: €25 in 2009 to €3.37 today.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2013/02/carbon-trading

Chicago Carbon Exchange (CCX): $7.40 in 2008 to $0.05 in 2010. Then the CCX was closed.
https://www.theice.com/ccx.jhtml

Taken together, there is persuasive evidence it’s all over bar the shouting. No fancy statistics needed.

All the doomsayers have achieved by advocating irrational policies that would not be acceptable to rationalists is to delay progress by twenty years.

The next step will be for the rationalists to take over.

Consider that mankind has been busily releasing all manner of toxic chemicals into the ecosystem since the industrial revolution whilst at the same time destroying as much as humanly possible of the natural CO2 regulation mechanism (yes Martha, trees & stuff really do have a purpose), its hardly surprising that something had to break eventually. One doesn't need to be a member of any particular pressure group to appreciate the concept of mankind being a mob of feral bogans. That said, the political approach using total <male bovine dropping> solutions like carbon taxes and what-all doesn't wash with anyone possessing a plurality of functional grey cells. The red-headed witch & her dying duck sidekick are unquestionably a few sandwiches short of a picnic & the RAbbott is no better. Whether or not one subscribes to the AGW paradigm, there is every reason to clean up our act but using AGW purely as an excuse to whack on another tax is merely another proof of the abysmally low level to which our elected representatives have sunk.

'I must say that it's overwhelming to come up against such towering intellects as yourselves on the subject of climate.'

Yea Poirot must irk you so much that even the simple can see how faith based your unintellectual position is. I don't know where you were edcuated but it certainly has not made you any smarter.