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The complex Margaret Thatcher : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 12/4/2013

There is no such thing as society. There is living tapestry of men and women and people.

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Spot on, Killarney!!
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 13 April 2013 6:43:56 PM
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Thatcher presided over the downfall of communism?
What?
Regan did that with an arms race the soviet union simply could not afford!
Neither could the US, with a huge debt blow out under Regan! A debt burden that was simply rolled over and further blown out by other administrations.
The Vietnam war added to it, as did the Gulf war, and the action in Afghanistan, the latter two gobbling up more than a billion per!
Thatcher privatised the oil industry!
Madness in light of the revenue it has generated since.
She presided over a housing bubble created by the privatisation of council flats, which responded by going from 40,000 pounds, averaged, to 150,000 in just a few years.
Consequently, in today's Britain, while the average wage is just 25,000 pounds, the average rent 12,000 pounds!
Further compounded by things like a congestion tax, a bedroom tax, fuel well over a two AUD per litre and a massive VAT on the already seriously expensive staples of life.
Yea sure some people are still doing okay! But that is a minority and a shrinking one at that! Yes, the Brits were suffering under the British disease, which killed the motor industry and British shipbuilding.
Something had to be done to rein in the excessive and extremely harmful power of highly militant unions!
Say what you will, Maggie was up to the job! Ditto when Argentina tried to annex the Falklands, against the expressed wishes of the overwhelming bulk of the population/society!
Basically, because there were reasonable prospects of significant oil discoveries. No oil, no Argentinean interest!
We will become a society once again, if ever we confront another hostile enemy in another world war, and the rich and privileged need the common man to sacrifice everything, to protect the assets and interests of the privileged.
Naturally, we wouldn't expect the rich and privileged to take up the cudgels on their own behalf, but say at home, beavering away, "safe" in "essential" industries!
Well no; given in any future war, the safest place will be the front line!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Sunday, 14 April 2013 9:48:24 AM
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Of course only a minority of Brits are doing well Rhrosty. They got rid of Maggy, & they've had almost 20 years of Labor since.

What the hell else would you expect, other than bankruptcy?
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 14 April 2013 10:09:32 AM
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"Well no; given in any future war, the safest place will be the front line!"
Rhrosty.

Given the advent of drones and ballistic missiles and nukes, in any
future war there will be no place that is safe and, most likely, no front line.

My advice is to buy a disused mine somewhere in outback Australia but not where atomic bombs were tested.

Deep within the mine could be the safest place as long as you don't breathe or drink any water!
Posted by David G, Sunday, 14 April 2013 10:36:46 AM
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Wow Killarney, thanks for demonstrating my point. I wrote earlier.." The attitude is to dig around and find anything that might put her in a bad light, assert that that is the sum total of her contribution to Britain and the west and then proclaim victory."

Here you are quoting debt figures from 1979 which use one set of criteria and then figures using completely different criteria from 2013 and pretending they show something(or don't you understand the difference?). The 138% you quote is not in the slightest comparable to the 45% you use for 1979. Its just laughable. Tell the truth...what you did was find a really high number, opine that it was a good one to make a silly point and hope no one noticed. To be fair, you should have used the same criteria for your 1979 number. But wait, you couldn't because it didn't exist. Why? Because, it only started in the mid 2000's to calculate the monies spent on so-called financial interventions...interventions that Thatcher probably would have opposed.

So to recap, you've used two entirely different numbers to make a silly point, one of which relates to policies that Thatcher would find abhorrent. To draw a simple analogy, you've taken the minimum temperatures figures for one year, compared them with the temperatures inside the local sauna for another and declared that you've proven global warming. See that thing flying out the window...its your credibility.

By the way, I noticed you didn't bother trying to defend your employment number errors.

Hyenas snapping at the ankles of a lioness.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 14 April 2013 5:14:02 PM
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How about returning to England mhaze, we won't miss you here, to the land of curtsy and forelock tugging.
Posted by Ojnab, Sunday, 14 April 2013 5:20:45 PM
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