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The meaning of life? : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 10/4/2013

What would happen if prayer was said before lectures in business and commerce?

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Translation: let's pretend that 'supernatural' means something different from what we all know it really means, then we can smuggle God in through the back door by pretending that he's still 'supernatural', even though 'supernatural' doesn't mean what it meant when we said that God was 'supernatural' in the first place.

Nice try, Peter! Might I suggest that to clarify the issue you use a new term to refer to the kind of 'supernatural' that actually applies to your conception of God? I suggest 'super-duper-natural'.

"Now I know how offensive this is to professed atheists and scoffers of God."

Well, no: it's also offensive to unprofessed atheists, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, animists, and probably Muslims as well. Well done! But what's offensive is not your claims, but your apparent belief that we're silly enough to be taken in by this word-shuffling.
Posted by Jon J, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 7:28:33 AM
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PS: What's a 'scoffer of God'? If I point out to my son that Santa Claus doesn't exist, am I a 'scoffer of Santa'?
Posted by Jon J, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 7:30:29 AM
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Thanks for the article. The Westminster Shorter Catechism is of great value, and the first question truly is an amazing guide for our lives.
Posted by sharan, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 8:31:02 AM
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Then let me expain it to you Jon J, in a way that makes a bit more sense than the word supernatural. It will also explain why there are so many "christian" churches in the world.

God is a God of truth. Meaning: He fits into the fabric of this world. What he does and who he is and how he acts is not at odds with any laws of nature, not in conflict with any scientific "realities" and understands the truth of the world. God knows what those laws are, what truly is the right way to live, etc.

Even a sceptic can accept this, or at the least understand this concept.

In every world environment, culture, society men and women are seeking this God. Scientists seek out the truth to their scientific field, religionists seek out the caring God and environmentalists seek out the God of nature. (I am deliberately being broad).

Where the problem has arisen is that different pockets of society have bound together, decided that they are happy with the God (truth) that they currently understand and then seek to justify that God as truth for the world, In many cases borrowing untrue or uncomplete ideas or concepts to complete this justification and to gain the desired acceptance
Posted by RandomGuy, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 8:32:43 AM
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You can probably see where I am going with this. Some Christians worship (for example) the "truth" which is Jesus Christ. That is nice, but these same people want to believe that they dont have to live a perfect life or even a good life, so they constructed a concept called salvation by grace alone. (Meaning: because God is good and kind and nice and loving he will "save" me, no matter that i have promoted bad, no matter the evil in my heart, etc. I will be saved simply by saying the words "I believe in Jesus). These people then banded together created a church and lots of people liked the idea of it.

Now we have got to the part where athiests are concerned. Athiests (and myself obviously) will look at the above Jesus God as incompatible with truth. IT cannot fit. You cant believe in part of a truth and ignore the other part. So we rightly say that that is a flawed belief. But where the conversation went wrong is that instead of saying "this one church and their concept of Jesus is wrong" the majority have said "because this one church that believes Jesus is like this, all other churches, since they believe in Jesus must believe in this and since the first, illogical church was wrong, all christian churchs are wrong". Rather then debating what the real Jesus/God/Truth is, both sides end up fighting over the strawman God and noone gets anywhere.

So lets look at the God of truth, and truth WHEREEVER it is found, instead of just saying God = Jesus, Jesus = Illogical church concept therefore God = Illogical church concept.
Posted by RandomGuy, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 8:32:59 AM
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The god delusion lingers on. Let's move on to a world free of supernatural nonsense, superstition and practise evidence based living. Stopping child abuse in the form of religious indoctrination (read brainwashing) would be a good start.
Posted by DrPhil, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 8:35:20 AM
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