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Geert Wilders: a radical view of Islam : Comments

By Klaas Woldring, published 4/4/2013

There are not many lessons about Islam which can be imported from Holland, an emigrant society, to Australia, an immigrant one.

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What precisely is the point of this article?

It does not seem to make any point at all apart from reiterating a potted history of recent Dutch political history.

Come on OLO you can do better than this
Posted by Iain, Thursday, 4 April 2013 9:34:34 AM
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Klaas has obviously never had a close look at Lakemba if he thinks the Netherlands problem does not exist here.
Posted by DavidL, Thursday, 4 April 2013 9:46:16 AM
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Perhaps some or many members of the political religion of Islam can be integrated into Western countries. But you have to remember that demographic numbers sooner or later determine the shape of any and every culture, and thereby its politics and history. Once they have the numbers the advocates of Islam will be able to demand that their ways become part of the main-stream, and by extension they will have the political power to impose their practices on everyone else.

I read somewhere recently that Moslems will comprise one third of the world's human population by 2050. Quite frankly I find that to be a horrifying prospect.

Meanwhile their are Western born anglo-Christians who promote the entirely false notion that Islam was the "final revelation",the only true religion, and therefore the INEVITABLE destiny of humankind. One such dingbat can be found here: http://bloggingtheology.wordpress.com
Posted by Daffy Duck, Thursday, 4 April 2013 10:41:21 AM
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It looks like if you speak up against Islam you get murdered.

I couldn't quite fathom what Klaas was on about either.

Is Greert right to be worried about the spread of Islam?

I've posted these elswere on other posts. Can we have your views on them please Klaas.

The killing of infidels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGcgVSvgp6I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTF7lThJNr8

Take over the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MTAwj2xZoc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpM6QKaAgP0

Take over Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN7eQyrDt-U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvHt94EGrac http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsiKVc028I0

Promoting Paedophilia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsExiAbCk1A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrRlsMRomtI

The subjugation of women. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Tw7WhH_aQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfPSN_92v2w

Lying & deceit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKs7oi_-NUo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvlvS2a2AVE
Posted by Jayb, Thursday, 4 April 2013 11:51:51 AM
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The author states the Netherlands would be no migrant nation, but then goes on to list the many ethnicities of migrants who settled in the Kingdom since WW2. If we look at the non-native population in the Kingdom in relation to the natives, over 20% of the population has migration background (2012). This compares to 24% Australians born overseas (2012), many of those from the UK, Ireland and West European countries. The ‘cultural enrichment’ factor is not very different between Australia and Holland.

There is no "extreme" Islam; just as there are not different versions of the Koran. Islam is Islam is Islam. What differs is the degree of observance within the Muslim communities, and the growing number of observant Muslims and fundamentalists following the doctrine of the Koran concerns not only Geert Wilders. The Islamic reform movement, together with Arab nationalism, emerging in force since the 1930s, has seen a resurgence of the totalitarian, discriminatory and mysognistic roots of Islam. This is funded by rich feudal rulers in Arabia, more zakath, as well as exploding halal certification rackets. The vision of a resurging caliphate and world-wide ummah was never stronger.

The overall per centage of observant Muslims in a western country is relevant, but more criticial is the concentration in particular areas. Most Muslims do not integrate and disperse in the host community. According to the doctrine of Hijra, many follow the demands of their religious leaders to live with fellow Muslims and form sharia bridge heads. These grow and merge with similar enclaves to form fully islamised territory.

In areas of Sydney and Melbourne we find concentrations over 40 per cent, in Holland and Germany some areas exceed 60 per cent. Primary schools have classes with one, maybe two indigenous children.
Some public schools now teach in Turkish with Dutch or German as second language.

We see fully Islamised areas emerge in Europe. France now lists 751 Sensitive Urban Zones, a euphemism for officially mapped out no-go areas. Where will we be in one generation?
Posted by Raoul, Thursday, 4 April 2013 11:56:21 AM
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"The expectation was that Wilders could ignite protests". Yes, perhaps the sort of protest directed at publishers and translaters of Satanic Verses. Indeed it was not surprising that it was hard to get venues.
Posted by Asclepius, Thursday, 4 April 2013 12:57:45 PM
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