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Please Tony Burke, stop insulting us : Comments

By Joseph Wakim, published 26/3/2013

Tony Burke shows the contemptible side of political correctness and the softly-softly approach.

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I take issue with the assertion, that Tony Burke represents a Gillard Govt view!
Tony Burke may be a little economical with the truth from time to time.
But hey, he is a politician, and definitely, a budding diplomat.
Given he is not a puppet dancing on a Gillard string, he can and does represent his own views from time to time, which sometimes also beggar belief.
Like that nonsense about locking away vast tracts of our marine economic zone, simply done, I believe, to lock away a few green preferences, which are never ever, truly guaranteed?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 10:45:24 AM
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Why are the Irish descendents though who suffered British occupation so pleased and happy to say they support the making of and occupation of Palestine?

And all the Gillard backers are spivs. who are not allowed to think for themselves or have any form of dissent.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 3:42:15 PM
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Talk about alarm bells!

"The first alarm bell should have rung. Northern Ireland endured three decades of military occupation by the foreign forces of Britain until the Good Friday Agreement of 1998."

Ahem. "Military occupation?"

Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom. It has sent specifically Northern Irish representatives to Westminster since 1920, following the formation of the Irish Free State. Before that, both South and North had been represented in the Westminster parliament, since 1801.

Mr Wakim, reality check. For over two hundred years, Northern Ireland has been part of the United Kingdom. Or Britain, as it is sometimes known.

Mind you, I should also reassure you, that your understanding of the situation in Northern Ireland is only a bees-dick more deficient than the bulk of the Australian public.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 4:32:38 PM
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It does fit the neo-colonialism of the Labor administration that members like Tony Burke feel free to intervene in Syrian politics, as though they were Syrian. Burke would have been more careful if he were commenting on the UK, Britain, France or Ireland. Joe Hakim is right to ridicule the parallel Burke draws between the British army in Ireland (an occupation with eight centuries of history) and the foreign backed, mostly fundamentalist and often non-Syrian armed gangs in Syria. It seems Burke knows little about the longer Syrian story, also over eight centuries, of Damascene Islam versus fundamentalist salafism. That might have helped him understand why Sunni fundamentalists recently murdered Sunni Sheikh al Bouti and dozens of moderate Sunni muslims, in Damascus.
Posted by Tim A, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 5:59:33 PM
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Pericles,
England went into Ireland & unwittingly saved them from the threat of total incest as was the case with all these locked away & out of the way communities in those hidden valleys of southern Europe..
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 6:33:01 PM
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Thank you Joe. Insightful. Tony Burke and the Gillard government are involved in this war-crime against Syria, supporting, funding, and encouraging Al Qaeda & FSA terrorists. We have seen how Bob Carr has been visiting FSA camps in Jordan, where wounded terrorists are being treated so they can return to commit atrocities in Syria. Burke & his Labor Party have no shame. ...And most politicians have very murky morals.
Posted by Marlene, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 6:54:29 PM
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Where does a democratically elected government fit with your views of history, Tim A?

>>Joe Hakim is right to ridicule the parallel Burke draws between the British army in Ireland (an occupation with eight centuries of history)<<

If you send your elected representatives to a parliament, how are you then able to describe that government as being in "occupation" of your territory?

Perhaps you can go one better, and explain the manner in which Syrians have voted for their various governments over that eight hundred year period?
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 9:24:24 AM
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Pericles,

Sounds like you’re endorsing the long history of English tyranny and occupation in Ireland that the terrorist, Cromwell commenced. Oh, but there is a democratic parliament now so it should not even be considered an occupation. I suppose decimating approximately 40% of the Irish population doesn't even count? “Divide and Conquer” has always been their Motto afterall. Judging from what’s happening in the UK now, it seems it is now finally coming back to bite them.

I’ve read that Oliver Cromwell is considered in the top 3 of England’s favourite heroes. So there you go.

You’re an English migrant, aren’t you?
Posted by Constance, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 8:21:46 PM
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Individual,

The English saved the Irish? Oh please.

And Incest?

You have gotten ridiculous. Are you English too?
Posted by Constance, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 8:23:22 PM
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If there is blame to be homed, there are many sheets in this history, Constance...

Acknowledging "the contemptible side of political correctness and the softly-softly approach" in the context of Ireland I want to record my contempt for Diarmait Mac Murchada requesting Norman intervention in regaining his Kingship of Leinster.

And if the Vikings - who as pagans probably didn't know any better - hadn't established Waterford and Dublin, along with Limmerick and Cork, Henry II wouldn't have had somewhere to land, occupy and control.

But there is no escaping the role of Christianity... ultimately, it is surely Pope Adrian IV's Laudabiliter that 'upped the ante'?

History. So there you go; ridiculous.
Posted by WmTrevor, Thursday, 28 March 2013 10:06:06 AM
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Are you an Pommy too, Trev?
Posted by Constance, Friday, 29 March 2013 7:41:15 PM
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Looks like you three didn't like what I said. Oh well, so there you go. History as it suits you.
Posted by Constance, Friday, 29 March 2013 7:44:20 PM
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But I must say, Trev, watering down Oliver Cromwells and his army's actions in Ireland is very pitible.
Posted by Constance, Friday, 29 March 2013 7:59:58 PM
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All the wars present and past in the Middle East and Europe
have a long history. The West and the United Nations
intervene in these wars with no understanding of the
longstanding hostilities and aggressions still resented
from the past. IN the end though, it is still a fight
for control of countries and their resources(land & wealth).

territorial warfare, to the winners go the spoils.(Land and resources)
Posted by CHERFUL, Friday, 29 March 2013 8:30:52 PM
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