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By Anthony Cox, published 12/3/2013How can there be a continent wide summer record when no part of the continent had a record?
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Posted by Janama, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 2:20:52 PM
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cohenite,
Here's another analysis of your Watts' graph. http://www.skepticalscience.com/cherrypicking-deny-continued-ocean-global-warming.html Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 2:49:22 PM
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Another climate change sceptic who appears to have no relevant qualifications whatsoever.
What's next, climatologists practising law. Posted by mac, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 2:55:49 PM
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You attack Anthony for providing a blog reference then reply with another blog reference.
Here's a reference to National Council for Air and Stream Improvement, http://www.ncasi.org/publications/Detail.aspx?id=3152 "Loehle, Craig. 2009. Cooling of the global ocean since 2003. Energy & Environment 20(1&2): 99-102. Ocean heat content data from 2003 to 2008 (4.5 years) were evaluated for trend. A trend plus periodic (annual cycle) model fit with R2 = 0.85. The linear component of the model showed a trend of -0.35 (±0.2) x 1022 Joules per year. The result is consistent with other data showing a lack of warming over the past few years." Posted by Janama, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 3:02:28 PM
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Look a new estimate of Holocene temperatures was published in the journal Science. It shows new proxy data reconstruction of temperatures over the last 11,0000 years showing what every sensible person already knows, the recent spike during the Age of Fossil Fuels is unprecedented during the current interglacial period.
It turns out that the new Holocene temperature reconstruction is an extension of the "hockey stick" analysis of Michael Mann, and shows the same pattern at the end of the stick. Climate "sceptics" took issue with his reconstruction, claiming that there were periods in the Holocene when temperatures were as high (or higher) than they are now (and there were). Somehow, the fact that there have been high average surface temperatures in the (relatively) recent past is supposed to "prove" that there is nothing unusual going on now. Of course, that is a logical non-sequitur. It has been well-established for nearly 20 years that the Holocene has been a quiet period for the Earth's climate, at least up to the last few centuries. The new Science study confirms we are experiencing abrupt climate change now. The evidence shows they have convincingly shown a resolution to capture a century long warming trend in the past 100 years or so, comparable to the last 11,000 year trend. To make a long story short, there is no known natural climate forcing that could cause the spike in the Science publications graphs. If there were, we would know about it, and it would likely show some weak periodicity like the Dansgaard-Oeschger cycles. Sceptics have forgotten that there are numerous lines of evidence pointing to abrupt climate change in the 20th and 21st centuries. They have forgotten that the physics of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is well-described, there is no doubt burning fossil fuels emits these gases, and warms the Earth's surface. In short, they have forgotten that the Earth is indeed round, and not flat. Ironically the sceptics will attack this study or basic physics or science in general regardless of what this study's proxy data clearly demonstrates, basically because they are crazy Posted by Geoff of Perth, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 3:29:16 PM
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Okay Geoff, let's assume in your favour that all of that is granted.
So what? Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 3:44:13 PM
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The message is clear - David Jones of the Bureau of Meteorology has given false climate data to the Climate Commission who in turn have passed the false data onto the public thus misleading us.
Forget about the ocean temperatures, forget about the January record, these are minor arguments when compared to the fraudulent use of BoM data to claim Birdsville had a record temperature when it didn't. That is a lie and as Anthony clearly demonstrates David Jones, head of BoM, has lied repeatedly in this deceptive release by the Climate Commission. If he put similar errors into an annual company financial statement he'd be in jail. David Jones should resign as should the naive scientists on the Climate Commission who allowed themselves to be tricked and coerced by this man.