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Climate change: our wilful blindness : Comments

By Lyn Bender, published 11/3/2013

But this summer is the hottest ever recorded. It is part of the predicted trajectory of global warming.

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Flannery is a goose, who seemingly, gets both dates and data wrong? That said, someone as personally successful as Malcolm,[return bill,] Turnbull, is not a dunce!
Looked at rationally, climate change, real or imagined, man-made or just part of natural variation, creates some quite enormous economic/wealth and job creating opportunities, for Australia and Australians
Algae farms, located near Power stations, created as closed cycle smoke stack scrubbers, would eliminate emission, as well as create a brand new source of transport fuel!
Given coal-fired power creates half of the atmospheric carbon we produce, capturing this in endlessly sustainable, closed cycle algae farms, would also create 100% of our total transport fuel requirements!
As an eternally sustainable, very low cost model. That we could keep and endlessly rely on, long after our last coal-fired power station was decommissioned, in favour of carbon free thorium reactors; and, converting all our biological waste into even cheaper power, free hot water, day or night.
And, completely sanitised and safe, carbon rich organic fertilizer; and a nutrient rich water source, ready made, for carbon absorbing algae production.
The key to our downside free future and future prosperity, is very cheap carbon free power.
This is a path the rest of the world seems to be taking? One we also take, or be left behind!
We really seem to have just two options, convert our economy to a carbon neutral/free one, or a third world banana republic.
The available choices are really, just that stark or glaring!
And we can get there with just a clean air act, with teeth!
Rather than an ETS, filled to the gunwales, [as Tony Abbott, and the public record would contest,] with opportunities for crooks and shysters, to deceive and collect billions from a completely captive market; and or, what seems on the surface, quite massive fraud, or entirely unproductive, or even counter productive, massive and costly, money churning?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 11 March 2013 12:41:01 PM
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Here's some recent evidence of global warming in action - 7 cubic km of ice breaking off a glacier, sending huge slabs of ice hundreds of meters into the air. It was the size of Manhattan, and although it is the largest ever filmed is only half the size of the largest ever known.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2012/dec/12/chasing-ice-iceberg-greenland-video

I can understand people not being able to face up to our collective responsibility for warming the planet, but to actually pretend the warming isn't happening is on the blunt side of thick. I challenge them to find any graph of world temperatures covering the past hundred or more years which shows anything other than an upward trajectory.
Posted by Candide, Monday, 11 March 2013 12:41:56 PM
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The unbridled arrogance of alarmists once again proves the point that AGW is to a large extent sustained by the egoes of its advocates, see:

http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/lewandowskys-ego.html

Of course Geoff and Bob and the rest of the boofheads here aren't at the academic level of Lewandowsky and the other egoes running around claiming the sky is going to fall; but they are just as mean and vicious with Bob looking forward to his Schadenfreude and Geoff once again treating us to another pompous lecture about how we should all strive to be just as little in our ambitions personally and in terms of what the human race can achieve as he is.

At heart this is the key to understanding the alarmist mindset; they are small people in both outlook and tolerance of others; but they have enormous egoes. That combination allows them to similtaneously believe they can 'save' the Earth while presenting their only solution of a return to Ludditism and a reduction of all of humanity back down to their own small level.

They are pathetic really, except their stupidity is costing billions and corrupting science and the social structure; they are like white-ants eating out a grand structure which humanity has built up.

Pests!
Posted by cohenite, Monday, 11 March 2013 1:17:22 PM
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Hi Candide,

Well, what would you expect, either way ? Do you suppose that polar ice-sheets are supposed to grow and extend right to the the equator ? Sooner or later, bits of the ice shelves have to break away, and if anything, if AGW was a major factor, the icebergs would be getting smaller, bits breaking off their parent shelves earlier. No ?

Yes, of course there has been a degree of AGW, 0.8 degree rise in world temperatures in 140 years. At least that's the excuse the US and Europe can use to move away from a dependence on foreign oil, and fair enough. After all, either way, we SHOULD be moving away from the use of polluting energy sources - I have no problem with that.

So, the story so far:

* there has been some relatively small temperature rise in 140 years.

* the massive dependence of Western economies on Middle Eastern and Venezuelan oil has been increasing.

* Western economies are desperately searching for alternatives to that foreign energy dependence, and for some reason, preferably based on science, to reduce their dependence on their Middle Eastern 'friends'.

* Lo ! AGW provides a fair rationale to move away from low-profit, traditional, and imported, energy sources, and towards innovative, higher-profit, home-grown, energy sources. As it happens, these new technologies tend to much less polluting, less foreign-dependent, so good-o !

* Capitalism develop a new lease of life, based on new technologies, which serendipitously are less polluting, more autonomous, while attracting public funding - win-win-win !

Invest in new, non-polluting, enterprises, folks. That's where the new money will be :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 11 March 2013 1:32:14 PM
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Thanks Cohenite, here are some more 'Pests' and their evidence:

"Under all plausible greenhouse gas emission scenarios,the world is on track to surpass temperatures not seen since the dawn of civilization, according to new research."

Confirming "unprecedented" global warming, the new study published in Friday's issue of the journal Science shows that the earth's temperatures catapulted in just the last century at a rate that had previously taken 4,000 years.

"In 100 years, we've gone from the cold end of the spectrum to the warm end of the spectrum," said climatologist Shaun Marcott, lead author of the study. "We've never seen something this rapid. Even in the ice age the global temperature never changed this quickly."

Marcott said that current "global temperatures are warmer than about 75 percent of anything we've seen over the last 11,000 years or so."

By 2100, he said, global temperatures will be "well above anything we've ever seen in the last 11,000 years."

"The climate changes to come are going to be larger than anything that human civilisation and agriculture has seen in its entire existence," Gavin Schmidt, a climate researcher at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies said, "And that is quite a sobering thought."

Cohenite fails to recognise or acknowledge that there is no planet B.

It seemed to sum up what is potentially at stake: a planet to live reasonably comfortably on. You really can’t get much more basic than that, which is why hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, should be out in the streets demanding that our leaders begin to attend to climate change before it’s quite literally too late.

Cohenite and his ilk will continue to follow their science fiction, to the detriment to the rest of us and the planet as a whole.

I just hope that when the evidence is so beyond doubt and we are all suffering, those who continue and will continue to blow the sceptic trumpet from the roof tops are held to account as they should be.
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Monday, 11 March 2013 1:32:54 PM
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Just imagine all the money the warmist have wasted had been spent on cleaning up the earth. Are there any real environmentalist who truely care about polution and the great earth we live on? The Greens, greenpeace and other political groups have shown themselves to be more greedy than corporations and yet want to impose their little dogmas ion everyone else. Like the AWU who have pretended to support workers, so the Greens have pretended to support the environment. The voters have finally woken up.
Posted by runner, Monday, 11 March 2013 1:34:17 PM
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