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Climate change: our wilful blindness : Comments

By Lyn Bender, published 11/3/2013

But this summer is the hottest ever recorded. It is part of the predicted trajectory of global warming.

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Geoff, the Parrenin et al paper on the synchrony between CO2 and temperature levels is interesting if for no other reason than it contradicts ALL previous research and would be ground-breaking.

The asynchrony or 'lag' between CO2 movements and temperature has been an absolute barrier for AGW theory in that temperature has always risen or moved before temperature; for instance during the 20thC:

http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Bastardi-CO2Temp.gif

During the 20thC it is also apparent that there is no significant statistical relationship between CO2 and temperature as indicated by the low coefficient of determination.

The 20thC is a fair time and the lack or relationship, asynchrony, between CO2 and temperature during the 20thC mirrors what has happened over geologic time periods.

This paper seems to be a maverick for these reasons. I am also cycnical about its timing since it will be eligible to be included in AR5.

Was this the French paper which was going to cut the legs off the 'deniers' that you were rabbiting on about on another thread
Posted by cohenite, Monday, 11 March 2013 11:30:10 AM
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Notice how none of the warmist responses actually provided any proof whatsoever of what they're arguing, and ALL of them without exception provided NOTHING BUT the fallacies I named?

No, that's not some kind of strange coincidence. That's all they have, and all they've ever had.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Monday, 11 March 2013 11:44:04 AM
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O dear I thought after so much egg on their face the warmist would be on to a new scare by now. We have had global cooling, ozone layer, Y2k bug and now the warmist myth. September can't come quick enough. Please Mr Abbott get rid of all the Government funded scare mongering. Spend the money on real environmental issues.
Posted by runner, Monday, 11 March 2013 11:49:10 AM
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Runner I agree 100%
Posted by Garum Masala, Monday, 11 March 2013 12:13:06 PM
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Hi there Titanic Deckchair attendants.
I have decided that the pathetic attempts to disprove AGW are as a result of ignorance and a low IQ.
There are a few who do it as a means of earning cash from the despoiler corporations but that would not account for the amount of anti AGW rants that are coming up these days.
If I should live long enough I am going to enjoy watching the denialists squirm and try to explain away the devastation that is coming as it surely will.
It's so nice to know that I am right in my forecasts.
regards from a proven high IQ.
Posted by Robert LePage, Monday, 11 March 2013 12:23:33 PM
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I think to settle the mettle on you sceptics once and for all, let’s consider this: sceptics not only don't know anything about the climate science or very little at the least (example, Cohenite), they don't care to know anything about climate science, why? They don't need to know anything.

Their arguments are based on faith, not reason. What do they place their faith in? In human ingenuity and cleverness, which their faith tells them is unbounded. Theirs is a religious mode of belief.

Sceptics believe progress is destiny. The Earth, the Solar System, and ultimately, the Universe are theirs to do with as they wish.

Their view is based on magical thinking!

Basically they don’t want to stop progress or aren’t willing to pay the price.

Thus the inherent contradictions of the sceptic, who assume endless growth and progress, are laid bare for all to see. To be sceptical of climate change and the growing evidence our climate is changing rapidly is to replace a faith in science with a belief in science fiction.

Ultimately sceptics want to believe science fiction; they want to believe their own various stories. Most importantly they don't want to give up the industrial civilisation they struggled so mightily to build. That's a price they will never be willing to pay.

Sceptics are clueless about themselves, utterly blind as to whom they are, which is why we should dub them Homo laeviculus or Clueless Man.

Those in the human species (in the general case) simply have no idea why they do anything, although they pretend they do. Unfortunately the sceptics continue their mantra and belief in an astonishing capacity for self-deception.

Modern people today do not know themselves in the sense Socrates meant, and thus cannot master their appetites to create a world of lasting social or ecological harmony. Seeming masters of the physical world, their mental world remains terra incognita, a black box. We destroy our earthly habitat, and ultimately, ourselves and it is apparent the sceptics are happy to support this road to nowhere.
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Monday, 11 March 2013 12:37:40 PM
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