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How is Wilders different to these? : Comments

By Ali Kazak, published 8/3/2013

Anti-Muslim extremists have come to Australia courtesy of various Jewish lobby groups.

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Thanks for reminding us of various commentators in Islam. Your problem, Ali, is that they speak the truth and being true, it is not islamophobia, whatever nonsense that term is supposed to mean.

The allegations of islamophobia differ from antisemitism in that antisemitism is based on lies like deicide, using children's blood to make matzos, stabbing the host to kill Christ again, plotting to take over the world, etc, while concerns about Islam are reality based and testable by examples.

When in NSW we need a special Middle Eastern Crime Squad, we are not islamophobic or bigots or racists. We are not racists to notice the gun violence, car rebirthings, or the drugs and bikie involvement. We are not racists to notice that when Aussies protested the Muslim response was violent just like the one against the Mohammed video.

We need to be concerned when Muslim only prayer rooms and toilets are demanded at La Trobe.

We cannot be blind to the violence by Muslims - remember 9/11, London & Madrid - and the constant demand for special privileges, which if not granted, is because of racism. We cannot be blinded by Muslims killing Muslims in Syria, Turkey (remember the Kurds?), in Iraq, nor the vilence against women in Egypt. We cannot accept a system where non-Muslims are second rate.

Sure, there are many wonderful Muslims; we all know and love those. But the problem - and this is what Wilders is trying to convey - is that Islam has a violent, intolerant. pre-medieval segment which takes over communities. And for civilised Westerners, that is not acceptable.
Posted by paul2, Friday, 8 March 2013 1:00:10 PM
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@paul2
A bit like the Jewish demands for special areas and privileges? It comes from thinking one of us has a special link to a God who is said to have created us all. Either he did, and there's no difference between us, or he didn't, and the whole we-are-chosen argument comes tumbling down - rather like those two towers.
and @ mac
Admittedly there is, or perhaps was is more accurate, considerable influence from Classical Greco-Roman civilisation and the Enlightenment. Trouble is so much of what we gained from both is being undermined by a resurgence of religious bigots among us. Democracy itself (in a slave-owning society and did women vote in Athens?), free speech, Habeas corpus, public trial by one's peers, separation of church and state and so much more is disappearing before our eyes. Even the term 'Greco-Roman' is being replaced as often as possible with 'Judeo-Christian', and the omission of 'Islamic' in that is in itself telling. The big problem for those neither Christian nor Muslim nor Jewish is being herded back into a theocracy without an established Theo.
Here in Australia we have a self-professed atheist leading the charge. This can't work well, and the alternative is a self-professed Christian who gets pilloried for his statements of faith.
To say we are conflicted and confused is only the start of it. We lost our blind faith with the Enlightenment, then we lost our faith, and now we are faithless. In many ways we in the "enlightened" West are a void waiting to be filled, and the bigots are licking their chops at the prospect. Not just interesting times(Buddhism now), but very, very dangerous times.
Posted by halduell, Friday, 8 March 2013 1:50:21 PM
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Paul2:

..What you say has a very distinct ring of truth; until the surface is scratched that is:

You say:-

#...But the problem - and this is what Wilders is trying to convey - is that Islam has a violent, intolerant. pre-medieval segment which takes over communities. And for civilised Westerners, that is not acceptable...#

...What you mean is Muslims present as less sophisticated: Less sophisticated that is than the Jewish lobby group, the renowned AIJC, but in the end the Jewish cause is just as violent if not more so, ask any Palestinian.

...The focus of this argument of “who wears the crown for the most unsavory inhabitant” must remain focused on the calamity that Multiculturalism is.

...Governments must be consistent on this issue, not "opaquely" siding with the “Goodies”! Arming one section of the Multicultural community against the other with an injection of taxpayers money is outrageous and must stop!
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 8 March 2013 1:57:48 PM
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I find it very interesting that all the authors accused of Islamophobia, are simply warning of the dangers inherent in allowing a theocratic usurpation of western values and modes of behaviour. There can be no place in a secular democracy for religious laws to have precedence over civil law. It is however true, that religious beliefs which are supposed to guide the actions of adherents must be protected in so far as they do not contravene the civil law.
Posted by Jon R, Sunday, 10 March 2013 9:12:58 AM
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Does anyone else find the lefty habit of telling others what they mean annoyingly condescending? ..."What you mean is Muslims present as less sophisticated: Less sophisticated that is than the Jewish lobby group, the renowned AIJC, but in the end the Jewish cause is just as violent if not more so, ask any Palestinian." from the diver is so typical.

What Dan fails to admit is that Jewish violence is directed against those who would attack them, Muslim violence is directed against any non Muslim, including us, their benefactor.

He then tells us how government must spend our taxes on within the Multicultural community. Here he fails to see the obvious, that all spending on such a stupid concept, designed only to buy votes for the left, must be eliminated immediately, if not sooner.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 10 March 2013 11:54:17 AM
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The Muslim religion is not the only problem. here is a statement from 2011

" Denmark the Government issued a report suggesting migrants from non-Western countries cost the state $3.5 billion a year, while those from the West contributed $450 million in taxes."

For Australia 2012/2013 is estimated at $6 Billion dollars, that does not count the hidden costs.
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 10 March 2013 9:08:28 PM
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