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Spare parts : Comments

By Ian Nance, published 29/1/2013

The physical body is the repository of one's existence for a lifespan, and after life ceases it can be discarded, just like worn-out clothing.

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I was with the author until he mentioned his belief that the end of this life is the beginning of another. If that is what he believes what evidence does he have?. For example does he have any evidence of what he was last time around?

As for body parts, when I am finished with the parts that make up the physical me, they are available for reuse except that, if I get my way, they will be well worn and, like a tyre with no tread, not much use to anyone.

As for the "personal me" I accept that when my brain starts to decompose that is the end of that. The only thing that lives on is the influences I have had on the lives of others. Hopefully, most of those influences will have been a significant benefit.
Posted by Foyle, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 7:54:22 AM
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I have three arguments against the practice of spare human body parts. The first one is a purely practical one, that is the additional financial loading of the already overgrown health care system. Working with human bodyparts is an expensive operation, not just the actual medical procedure, but all the record keeping and the life-long aftercare.

The second is the moral issue of desecreting the human body by treating it just as a spare part repositry that can be cut to pieces and the bits doled out to eager recipients. It smacks of canibalism!

The third could be called a philosophical argument. Each person (I suppose each living being) is a product of million years of evolution, adapted to life in its given environment. One of evolution's regulating aspects is an overproduction of seeds, of young ones, of reproduction, to let nature weed out the offsprings not capable to make it through life on their own.
By artificially replacing naturally deficient body parts we are interfering with nature's check-system and so, quite possibly, perpetuate deficiencies in living bodies.

A possible fourth point is, that we should not forget the bottom line: The one thing our Earth has in over-abundance is humans.
Posted by Alfred, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 8:44:50 AM
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Death is a process, not just a moment in time. It takes time for the etheric or energy body to completely separate from the gross physical body. During this time, the body should be kep undisturbed to encourage and allow complete release from the physical. The most important time is for the body to be kept undisturbed is the first two or three hours after death.

If possible, autopsy, organ donation and embalming should be avoided as these areinvasive and would be disturbing to the being during the death transition out of the physical. Even a bowel puncture (to drain the bowel contents and delay decomposition)is to be discouraged. After the initial two hours, the body may be moved to the place where a vigil will be held for 72 hours.

A vigil of service should be held for three days to serve the transition of the one who has died - to fully release identification and attachment to the body and mind, all his or her relations, and even all of the conditional world.

The purpose of the vigil is to help the deceased to release. Therefore, avoid doing anything to encourage holding on or clinging to the deceased as they once were. Instead, encourage the one who has died to move on with the necessary transition. People who are grieving heavily should do so away from the body and be well supported by friends and intimates.

After 3 days, the body should be cremated. This further serves the release of attachment to the physical body. Ashes should then be scattered - preferrably in moving water.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 9:25:17 AM
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Donating organs and after death is described as a "gift of life for others". This is based on the belief that the "soul" immediately leaves the body at death and the body is just an empty shell. But people who have been with someone shortly after death often describe feeling a sense of presence in the room, not just an empty shell. The death transition takes time and after death the one who has died is still aware of his or her environment and is still identified with the now clinically dead body.

If the deceased observes the body being mutilated in any way, it can be quite disturbing. It is therefore preferable for the body to be kep undisturbed so the one who has died may relax into the transitional process and let the body go.

The reason for the 3 day vigil is that intially the etheric entity may linger after separating from the body. The person notices what is going on, sees the body and sees others and feels what they feel.

There is a certain mobility to the etheric entity. After death, the etheric separates from the form of the physical, but it is still the same person with that personality. Depending on the person, he or she can become attached or confused, or even have difficulty realizing that he has died, or feel reluctance, or suddenly have great feelings of attachments to places or to the body itself.

The etheric entity must die yet, there is no suffering in this death. The continuing existence of the etheric is the temporary status of the entity after death. The condition of the individual determines what goes on in the process of relinquishing the etheric.

A ghost is simply an etheric entity that cannot relinquish people or places, so it remains associated with and trapped in the physical plane.

The barbaric Western notion of a funeral allows people to indulge in their attachment. Instead of doing what they should be doing, people dramatize attachment. They thus fail to serve the individual, which leads to confusion.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 9:55:57 AM
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After clinical death it is useful to tell the deceased to relax. People who have died are yet aware of the environment for the initial period of their transition, so it is imporatant to tell them what is happening.

Tell them if the body is to be moved and where it is to be moved. If you know a person is likely to be disturbed about someone or something, you can reassure him that the concern will be addressed or the matter will be handled. If the death was sudden, it is especially important to tell the person that he or she has died, since such a persons confusion about what is occurring may last longer that someone whose death was expected.

Speak directly into the ear, slowly and firmly. As the energy of the being exits the body a great deal of stimulation occurs in the brain core, generating sights and sounds. If you are the one speaking, you must speak steadily and clearly to assist the being in the transitional process. This streaming of energy exiting from the body may last for up to an hour initially, and though the person who has died may not be able to hear what is being said with the physical ear, he can receive the message on a psychic level.

If you are in a circumstance where it would not be appropriate or possible to give such instructions out loud, intend them strongly and clearly with your mind.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 10:19:34 AM
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Instructions to be read:

There is a strong attractive forrce felt upwards. Let yourself feel that force.

There is also an upward-moving sound. It is an intense Vibration that can be heard and that moves high above.

Let yourself be drawn upward by that sound and be moved by that.

There is also a profound bliss felt above.

Let yourself be attracted upward by that feeling of bliss.

Eventually, you will see that attractive light above, the brilliant white light.

Hold to the center, hold to the upward attraction.

Let go of everything.

Relinquish everything.

Allow yourself to be attracted and drawn - straight, like an arrow - into that white Brightness, that bliss, that vibratory force, or sound.

Allow all sense of separateness and otherness to be dissolved above, in the un-conditional force of Being Itself, the Divine Self-Domain.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 10:28:06 AM
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