To SF, BS, and AVW, there is no doubt that your unquestioning, one-eyed, fanatical support of the Rogue Nation of Israel demonstrates clearly what kind of people you are.

The three of you are quite happy to see Israel continuing with the blockade of Gaza and the occupation of the West Bank. You are happy to see settlements being built in the West Bank which is against International law. You are happy to see the humiliation of the Palestinian people which has been occurring since 1948.

And the three of you also condone the starving of the Palestinians, the bombing and shelling of them, the torturing of them, the demolition of their homes and vineyars, the killing of Palestinian children by IDF snipers, the use of phosphorous munitions and drones against them, the crushing of peace activists (Rachael Corrie), the murdering of peace activists on a Turkish ship in International waters, the use of torture and indefinite imprisonment, the denial of medicines and medical aid to the Palestinians, the stealing of Palestinian taxes, the throwing of Palestinians families into the street, etc, etc, etc.

Yeah, it is very clear what kind of people you are and the Israelis are.

"By their actions, ye shall know them!"

"Aside from the core issues—refugees, Jerusalem, borders—the major themes reflected in the U.N. resolutions against Israel over the years are its unlawful attacks on its neighbors; its violations of the human rights of the Palestinians, including deportations, demolitions of homes and other collective punishments; its confiscation of Palestinian land; its establishment of illegal settlements; and its refusal to abide by the U.N. Charter and the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War."

Yeah, Israel has ignored the U.N. continuously. It thinks it is a law unto itself.

Religious derangement causes this arrogance!

Cheers.

The peripatetic BSDetector should be renamed BSGenerator. His desperate globetrotting has not turned up one state, other than racist Israel, whose self-identification and legal structure are based on ancestry, including the über-racist “Law of Return”. He summarised his non-find thus: “The distinctions sought to be made by Emperor Julian between ‘family connection to the country’ and ‘ancestry’ are a figment of his imagination.”

Figment? Brtitish law, for one, comes to grips with the distinction that eludes BSDetector. My ancestry is British but I don’t qualify under British “patrial” law to migrate to Britain. That law qualifies a person if at least one parent or grandparent is born in Britain. Lacking this I’m rightly deemed not to have a family connection with Britain. Also, Britain is not located in someone else’s land.

Invidious wholesale discrimination based on genetic ancestry is racism. Zionists accordingly are racists, with a propensity to bellow “antisemitism”, either by name or by meaning, when their racism is rumbled, as we have seen in some (but only some) of the Zionist apologetics in this very thread. (This doesn’t include BSDetector - he argues his case and doesn’t impute “antisemitism” a.k.a. “Jew hatred”. The following posts actually do:

DavidL, Monday, 21 January 2013 11:06:55 AM
Jonathan J. Ariel, Monday, 21 January 2013 2:01:42 PM
SF, Monday, 21 January 2013 9:01:38 PM
Everett, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 5:44:43 PM
SF, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:50:50 PM)

Poor old Emperor Julian. Still wallowing in his make-believe world of non-sequiturs. He has picked British citizenship law and pretends that it is an exemplar for the rest of the world. Let's look at Greece instead. The nationality law of Greece is based on the principle of jus sanguinis (literally 'law of the blood'). A child of a Greek citizen acquires Greek nationality automatically at birth. Greeks born abroad may transmit citizenship to their children from generation to generation indefinitely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_nationality_law

The Emperor Julian has no clothes.

Dear Julian,

<<An ethnocratic state is one that is constructed for a global ethnic group (real or invented). Its laws distinguish rights including immigration, citizenship, and residency and legal rights on the sole basis of ancestry.>>

Yes, but you failed to explain why this is any worse than other systems of rule.

The vast majority of people, for example, are prevented from immigrating to Australia (and many are even prevented from visiting on a tourist visa).

The excuse for refusing a person may be other than ethnic (for example that in their youth one chose a profession which Australia needs less - perhaps even their parents chose that profession for them), but on the receiving end of the stick, the reason doesn't matter, whether it's ethnic, occupational, or based on height/weight/baldness/hairiness/etc. - the pain is the same!

Yuyutsu, it is worth mentioning that Israel does not prevent people from gaining citizenship based on religion or ethnic identity, so that in fact citizenship is probably not much more difficult to obtain than here in Australia, despite Israel's position as a very tiny state threatened on all sides would tend to make it much more cautious than huge Australia with plenty of open spaces. Christians have citizenship in Israel as a matter of course, and Muslims too, Baha'is from Iran, Buddhists and the like. Legal and political rights in Israel are the same for all its citizens, no matter what their religion. Israel is a firmly liberal democracy in this as in other areas.

David G. says that one can tell the moral standing by the sort of people he or she supports. In that case, what does his support for officially endorsed Palestinian terrorism and openly antisemitic hate incitement, which prevents any peace for at least a generation into the future, say? There is absolutely nothing like that on the Israeli side, and this goes back generations. The leader of the Palestinians in the 1930s was Haj Amin el-Husayni, who led constant terrorist attacks against Jews and British then. He fled to Nazi Germany, where he stayed and aided the Nazi war effort and Holocaust. After WWII, he went to Egypt, where he tutored his nephew, Yasser Arafat, before he became the leader of the chief terrorist group in the world for decades. Today, Mahmud Abbas carries the torch, denies the Holocaust, glorifies terrorists, and officially demands a Judenrein "Palestine." Hamas calls for wiping out the Jewish people. These are the people you support, David G. What sort of person does that reveal you to be?