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By Jim Green, published 28/12/2012A close looks at the Lowy Institute's work in relation to uranium sales to India suggests it is a dangerous, reactionary propaganda outfit.
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Has anyone remembered Tom Lehrer's song "Who's Next?"
Posted by JenniferGJ, Friday, 28 December 2012 8:55:03 AM
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It is possible that a nuclear exchange will result in the end of the human race without wiping out all life on earth. Another species may then evolve with the capacity for nuclear physics but with a greater instinct for species preservation than our species has shown.
Posted by david f, Friday, 28 December 2012 9:01:20 AM
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What we need is the emergence of Neo-humans. Neo-humans are actually intelligent unlike the current crop of human who are so deranged that they think they are intelligent. Look at our world. Only morons could have created such a mess.
Neo-humans can see clearly that war and nukes are favored only by Barbarians and Philistines. Neo-humans can comprehend that Greed for treasure and power is leading us towards extinction, perhaps in a matter of weeks and months. Any so-called 'Think-Tank' that promotes nuclear expansion in any form is obviously devoid of thinkers. Thinkers do not become advocates for inevitable nuclear holocausts. Only complete fools do that! Posted by David G, Friday, 28 December 2012 9:24:06 AM
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There is a false premise which underlies this article.
Jim Green has linked trade in uranium for power generation purposes with enriched nuclear weapons grade uranium. They are not the same and there is no logical link between the two. Native uranium contains about 0.7% U238. The remainder is U235. Weapons grade material has been enriched to almost pure U238, which is far more difficult to handle and to manufacture than is power station fuel grade fuel rods, which contain much lower proportions of U238 and are less "hot" and are certainly useless in warheads. The problem in relation to nuclear proliferation is not in any way due to making or using uranium in power stations. That is not the pathway via which weapons grade materials are manufactured anywhere in the world. Currently, in Iran, a rogue government is well along the track of producing weapons grade materials via isotope separation - enrichment, which is the same pathway that the South Africans, Israellis, the Pakinstanis and others obtained their warhead materials. They did not use power station materials for warheads and neither did India. That is why the international community is for more concerned about enrichment programs than it is about any other facet of the nuclear weapons industry. Those who seek to limit spread of nuclear arms must consider whether proposals to limit peaceful energy programs will have any effect on the outcome which they seek. It will not. Jim's concern is mistaken. It should also be understood by readers that Jim Green earns his income from this activity - it is his job. He is clearly conflicted and certainly not independent. The weapons problem is and always has been primarily due to the operation by national goverments of speciallised isotopic separation plants which have been designed and constructed specifically to produce highly concentrated nuclear fuel, not uranium used in electrical power generation. Posted by JohnBennetts, Friday, 28 December 2012 2:31:36 PM
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The decision to sell Uranium to India was made right after sent India their Deputy PM to CHOGM.This is the Commonwealth Heads of Govt and India was sending a clear message that the Commonwealth was losing it's grip on India.
Their real fear is that India may join forces with China against the West.To empower India against China works for the divide and conquer strategy of the West.Labor just obeyed their masters and sold Uranium to India. No one mentions Israel who have 200+ nukes and also is not a signatory to the NNPT. Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 29 December 2012 10:42:34 AM
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Dear Arjay,
Many people including me have mentioned Israel's nukes and refusal to sign the NNPT. Your statement that nobody mentions that is false as are many of your statements. Posted by david f, Saturday, 29 December 2012 11:24:13 AM
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I blame that blabber-mouth Martin Ferguson.
Australia, by selling outside the NPT, is prostituting itself. Indian democracy and nukes do not mix. The Indian response is to just baton-charge and shoot the protestors - two dead so far, one on 21 April 2011, another on 10 September 2012. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-19553770 http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110422/jsp/frontpage/story_13887221.jsp What a horror story, just to fill the coffers of some corrupt capitalists in Australia. Posted by old zygote, Saturday, 29 December 2012 11:27:29 PM
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david f."...your statements are false." He offers no argument to how they are false.In the debate over Iran's supposed nuclear program,show us where in the popoular media Israel's 200+ nukes are mentioned.How can we have this double standard of Iran who just defended itself against Iraq since WW2 and the USA/Israel who have interferred with internal politics and attacked over 50 countries in that same time.
You seem to forget the US Liberty incident of 1967 when Israel attacked this clearly marked unarmed intellignece ship and tried to get the USA to attack Egypt.Many were killed and injured.The USA had nuclear weapons on the way to bomb Egypt until they learned the truth.It was all covered up until the late 90's when the official doucments were released.How can we trust Israel over Iran when they such long history of war treachery and oppression of the Palistinians. There is also evidence in Fallugah Iraq that the USA has been using some sort of new small nuke.Prof Chis Busby has found evidence of this in women's hair.They were trying to find out why birth defects in Fallujah were so bad.Busby first thought it was the Depleted Uranium but found evidence of slightly enriched Uranium.He supposed some sort of Neutron Bomb.Do your own research.Google Busby and Fallujah. Keep believing the official media david f,so you can live safely in your own delusions. Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 30 December 2012 7:44:28 AM
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Dear Arjay,
I mentioned a specific statement that you made that was false. You claimed that nobody says anything about Israel's not signing the NPT. That is false and remains false. You are someone who claims we are fed lies. It is reasonable that you would therefore be careful before you make statements yourself to be sure they are factual. It is also reasonable that you admit when you are wrong. There are real conspiracies, but to claim every event is a conspiracy makes you like the little boy who cried 'wolf.' Posted by david f, Sunday, 30 December 2012 8:09:53 AM
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Jim Green is sticking a finger in a dam which already has too many holes in it. None of his revelations about nuclear programs in Japan, South Korea etc are new. Israel has some 200 nuclear warheads positioned in various parts of the country. As for India, it would be crazy to disarm at this point where there are unresolved border disputes with China going back to the 1962 war between the countries and while China still lays claim to large swathes of Indian territory.
Posted by Graham Cooke, Sunday, 30 December 2012 12:07:33 PM
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Graham Cooke
You have missed the point. There is no reason why border disputes need to be resolved by nuclear weapons. The fact that revelations are not new, does not mean that they are acceptable. By exporting uranium outside the NPT (only for crass commercial reasons) debases Australia's moral standing in these matters. Once an international agreement is in place - it must be honoured for the good of all. This is not restricted to the nuclear issue, and nuclear issues are not exempt. Posted by Christopher Warren, Sunday, 30 December 2012 2:51:26 PM
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I think you all need to realise that there is serious evidence that the USA has been using strategic nuclear weapons already.This opens up a whole new paradigm in warfare.If the USA thinks it has the edge then so it will be more inclined to go to war.We only have to see their philosophy of pre-emptive war has taken us now.The West has invaded Afghanistan,Pakistan,Lybia and Iraq which was based on a lie.The West seems hell bent on antagonising China and Russia.China has won the peace while the West languishes in debt.The West only has weapons left and we are the greatest danger to world peace at the moment.
They now want to attack Syria and Iran under a lie.Which country or countries are the obivious aggressors? Who has India invaded recently? Posted by Arjay, Monday, 31 December 2012 7:16:54 AM
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So Friends of the Earth are again trying to shut down debate by oppressing those they oppose, the Fascist Left at it again. Military and Civil programs are worlds apart to conflate them is a technical impossibility apart from a security nightmare. Anyway India is not in competition with Pakistan, it is just trying to stop another unstable Muslim country from going all Armageddon, India has a real economy while the Pakistanis are a primitivist mess.
The real worry is Obama's Iran, what is he going to do about it other than blame the Jews? Posted by McCackie, Monday, 31 December 2012 8:34:50 AM
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