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By Crispin Hull, published 3/12/2012The change in public opinion is evidence that the world's scientists are failing us – badly. They are being far too cautious in their evidentiary requirements.
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Good one Bugsy. That seem to have comprehensively addressed the 'Silent Spring' issue then. Oh hang on, you've covered the CFC issue with the same degree of erudition. Gee wiz. Awesome.
Posted by Prompete, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 6:58:55 AM
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What Silent Spring "issue", Prompete?
If it's erudition you want in an argument, then why don't you employ some yourself rather than spitballing giant wads of BS? There is much more to the DDT story than what you seem to want to believe. Why don't you tell me what you actually believe and why, and I can tell you where you are wrong. How's that? Posted by Bugsy, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 7:41:57 AM
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Bugsy.
www.forbes.com/sites/henrymiller/.../rachel-carsons-deadly-fantasies/ pubs.acs.org › Home › Editor's Page http://junkscience.com/ddt/ " spitballing giant wads of BS?" You won me over with that one. Posted by Prompete, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 8:49:56 AM
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Ok, I was right then. Blog and opinion sites it is. Think for your self man.
Why don't you do yourself a favour and find out when DDT was banned in say, the UK? or when it was banned in South Africa, or anywhere in Africa. There is a persistent myth that somehow there was a worldwide ban on DDT usage that followed closely after the 'hysteria' whipped up by Rachael Carsons book. There was never a worldwide ban. There was always provision in the UN charters on persistent environmental pollutants for public health use in the fight against arthropod borne diseases. The vast majority of restrictions were against general broadacre spraying of the stuff, especially on food. This is because DDT is a persistent environmental pollutant-they are still finding it in the fat tissues of Antarctic penguins FFS. Most restrictions occurred because of high residues detected in food and resistance in target insect populations that required ever higher doses for effectiveness. There is no case against Rachael Carson and the proverbial 'blood on her hands'. There sure as hell aint millions that would otherwise be alive. "Junk Science" is obviously not a website for scientists. Posted by Bugsy, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 9:10:35 AM
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Can people please stop bagging Rachel Carson and repeating chemical industry propaganda and lies about her 48 years after she died in 1964, simply because she was courageous enough to speak out publicly against the damaging effects of pesticides on the environment (including fish and birds) and ultimately on human health. Rachel Carson was a highly qualified and published marine biologist (i.e. a 'proper' scientist). Her legacy, both scientific and personal (she adopted a child) is stellar.
Posted by Johnj, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 10:14:32 AM
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"Chortle" is the only adequate response to "125 plus scientists"
You are right steven, it confirms once again that she cannot even read. She incorrectly transcribed my post which says “125 scientists” and gives a link to where the name and background of each of them is appended to the letter which they wrote to the leader of the Dohar lie-fest, Ban Ki-Moon. Poirot, like her science deficient friend, bonmot, is incapable of a coherent, much less fact-based, post. You neglected to read Bob Carter’s excellent exposition of climate science, steven, where he points out that tossing a coin would make one right 50% of the time. You hand picked some forecasts of the climate clown, Hansen, and come up with 62.5%. Average all of this fraud backer’s predictions, and in the end they will come out at 50%. Your arguments, like Bugsy’s depend on the ignoring of facts and science: “The ban on DDT was considered the first major victory for the environmentalist movement in the U.S. The effect of the ban in other nations was less salutary, however. In Ceylon (now Sri Lanka) DDT spraying had reduced malaria cases from 2.8 million in 1948 to 17 in 1963. After spraying was stopped in 1964, malaria cases began to rise again and reached 2.5 million in 1969.33 The same pattern was repeated in many other tropical— and usually impoverished—regions of the world. In Zanzibar the prevalence of malaria among the populace dropped from 70 percent in 1958 to 5 percent in 1964. By 1984 it was back up to between 50 and 60 percent. The chief malaria expert for the U.S. Agency for International Development said that malaria would have been 98 percent eradicated had DDT continued to be used.” Read the whole of this factual summary here, Bugsy, and stop talking nonsense: http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C06/C06Links/www.altgreen.com.au/Chemicals/ddt.html Posted by Leo Lane, Tuesday, 4 December 2012 10:17:24 AM
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