There is an excellent piece on the gathering of the Climate Thieves in Qatar, at the following web address:

http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com.au/

“These are the folks who came up with the Kyoto Protocols that were intended to reduce "greenhouse gas" emissions, primarily carbon dioxide (CO2), in order to save the Earth from becoming a crispy desert as the result of global warming. Adopted on December 11, 1997, the protocols set "binding targets for 37 industrialized nations and the European community with the goal of reducing 1990 levels of CO2 over a five-year period 2008 to 2012." Two major emitters, China and India, were exempted from the Protocols, thus rendering it even more idiotic than it already was.”

The earth has been cooling for the past 15 years, while the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere has been increasing. Remember how the increase in CO2 would warm the Earth, according to frauds like Al Gore and James Hansen? Just nonsense from the AGW fraud backers.

Why this rubbish continues to be put forward is beyond comprehension. Even if the CO2 increase was caused by human emissions, which it is not, because the Northern hemisphere absorbs more CO2 than it emits, we are observing the reality that the planet is not warming. The warming experienced last century, of less than 1 degree has caused CO2 to be released from the ocean, which has increased the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere.

It has nothing to do with human emissions. The IPCC was formed to examine the effect of human activity on climate. This "effect" is not measurable, and the IPCC has no function. It should have the honesty to disband.

I am amazed that people can be so sure that he world is actually cooling. I hope it is, but would personally bet it is not and seas are rising.

I also admit i have lost lots of bets over the years. I hope this is another losing bet.

Chris Lewis

>>I am amazed that people can be so sure that he world is actually cooling. …

I also admit i have lost lots of bets over the years. I hope this is another losing bet.>>

You and me both mate!

This graphic illustrates nicely why I think so-called "sceptics" are deluding themselves.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/SkepticsvRealistsv3.gif

The following piece in PNAS offers an interesting perspective on what appears to be a recent cooling trend:

Reconciling anthropogenic climate change with observed temperature 1998–2008

http://www.pnas.org/content/108/29/11790.abstract?sid=20fe112c-2b62-4be8-b914-9c9842c709a2

To cut a long story short, rising sulphate emissions from Chinese power station are temporarily shielding the planet as appears to have happened in the 1950s.

Eventually, of course, the effects of rising CO2 levels catch up.

Heaven help us if the Chinese clean up their act by removing sulphur from their coal. We may discover very quickly that the underlying situation is worse than we thought. Much worse.

Anyone who looks at the evidence as a whole right now and doesn't experience a twinge of fear either doesn't understand the situation or is being deliberately obtuse.

Curmudgeon

You misunderstand the nature of the bodies I quoted. You do not join eg the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) as you would join a trade union. You have to be elected.

Election is on the basis of the quality of your scientific work.

By the time you are a NAS "fellow" your prestige is such that you rarely have to worry about funding.

NAS has nothing to gain by supporting the AGW consensus. It has much to lose because Republicans have threatened them with funding cuts because of their stance.

Most NAS fellows are not climatologists and have no financial incentives to support AGW.

Similar considerations apply to the other bodies I quoted.

Climatologists have quite a few "runs on the board" as you put it. Compared to economic forecasters their record is stellar.

I'm not going to repeat them all here. If you want a picture based on real science try:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/

http://www.realclimate.org/

Also browse the Scientific American website:

http://www.scientificamerican.com

Stevenlmeyer,
<<I have struggled to find a single scientific institute of international repute that dissents from the view that anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is real and may have catastrophic consequences.>>

I remember a scientific *consensus* --nay, consensus is too weak a concept, it was more like an inalienable truth, that told us that the moon was totally devoid of water. And, anyone who talked of the possibility of water ice on Mercury was in danger of being carted off to the loony room –my oh my how things change.

Incidentally, I came across this interesting quote from someone you’re fond of citing: “Science is ‘the organized scepticism in the reliability of expert opinion’”

Yes, it’s from Richard Feynman

stevenlmeyer

There you go again linking activist sites with the disadvantage, this time, that they don't address the point at all. Where on earth did you get the idea that climate science had any forecasting track record? What area are you pointing to? It is also absurd to referring me to the Scientific America web site and claim, vaguely, that the answer must be in there somewhere.

Now look at the GEOFF OF PERTH post.
You see that Geoff is forced to repeat this business about scientists claiming that patterns of warming match what they believe should be happening in the atmosphere if human-induced global warming was real. The story has changed from the 2007 IPCC report when they couldn't show it, so perhaps the theory had to be "adjusted" to meet the challenge of reality. In any case, all this messing around with patterns of warming in the atmosphere is because the satellite records for actual change in global temperatures show no significant warming for the past 13 years, and comparatively slight warming before that (the ground based records show more warming.) See .. http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt

Its just the data so you'll have to get our your excel skills but you won't find any useful trends in the global temperature figures since before the turn of the century.

Dear curmudgeon,

Still at the barricades I see. A sterling sight and one to calm all those fears in the rest of us.

Timely too. In the last few weeks we Victorians have seen our highest ever recorded November temperature and experienced for the first time in living memory an extensive algal bloom off our south west coast.

So thankfully I can dismiss these concerns along with record low summer Arctic ice as just fearmongering. Indeed I laugh them off. They are obviously staged or just abberations.

I will sleep better at night knowing my children, and their children after that, will be facing a safe and secure future. There is absolutely no need to act on emissions because you have so steadfastly held the line you must know what you are talking about.

Thank God for people like yourself, the world could do with far more of you.