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Politicians' version of Gaza: lazy, blind and dangerous : Comments
By Stuart Rees, published 22/11/2012There are other principled, non-violent ways to address this conflict. The essential formula for non-violent solutions is that justice for the Palestinians equals security for Israelis.
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Posted by Jon R, Thursday, 22 November 2012 7:34:00 PM
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Jon J, please point out where in this thread it has been suggested that Israelis be forcibly expelled from Israel?
Are you seriously suggesting there is no Israeli blockade of Gaza? Or no occupation? Because there are both. So Hamas has some rockets. That does not mean there is no blockade or occupation of Gaza. Posted by fungus, Thursday, 22 November 2012 8:22:36 PM
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Sorry, Marilyn Shepherd, it was David G who claimed Israelis and Americans are brutal, cruel races of people, not you. My mistake.
Posted by fungus, Thursday, 22 November 2012 8:26:01 PM
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fungus, while you may not want to contemplate it, Hamas are dedicated to eliminating Israel and all the Jews living in what they consider the occupied territories. You may not have said it, but your support of Hamas implicates you.
Gaza is actually historically (until 1967) Egyptian territory. Egypt has decided to ignore this uncomfortable fact. The Israeli blockade is on my understanding intended to stop the importation of military equipment into Gaza. If as widely reported (over 150 in the last 24 hours) Hamas has managed to fire over 700 imported missiles into Israel this week, the blockade has rather obviously failed. Posted by Jon R, Thursday, 22 November 2012 10:34:40 PM
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Rees’ criticism of Israel gives no acknowledgment that Hamas has never tested Israel’s bona fides as Hamas’ rockets have never stopped other than to rearm, a strategy Hamas is currently committed to by its Charter. In spite of scepticism on both sides there are encouraging signs. Most notably, the ceasefire was brokered by Egypt’s Moslem Brotherhood leader, that group being the progenitor of Hamas. Egypt under President Morsi has affirmed its Peace Treaty with Israel which hopefully may pave a path for Hamas to follow.
Posted by philco, Friday, 23 November 2012 11:07:48 AM
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Coincidentally, Jon J's first post in this forum seemed to be a paraphrasing of what Andrew Bolt wrote in his column recently.
Now, in answer to Jon J's second post in this forum: It is absurd to claim that opposition to Israel's actions in Gaza equals support for Hamas. That is just like when George W. Bush told the world, "Either you are with us, or you are against us. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." You can disagree with Israel's actions without supporting Hamas, and vice versa. Here are some links about the Israeli blockade of Gaza. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7545636.stm http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle+east-10520844 http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/report/palestine-report-260609.htm http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/Ocha_opt_Gaza_impact_of_two_years_of_blockade_August_2009_english.pdf Posted by fungus, Friday, 23 November 2012 2:36:42 PM
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What do you people not get? When Hamas talks about "the occupation" they are talking about all of what is currently Israel.
As for the nasty blockade, so where did all those missiles come from then? Not a very effective blockade is it? We can get missiles through, but not humanitarian supplies come on get real!
In addition if the aforementioned missiles were indeed manufactured in Gaza (which by the way, was Egyptian until 1967) how about the resources being used for something productive?