Jayb puts all his faith in ASIO? Our Intelligence agencies control our Govt by controlling information.If you think you live in an open an safe democracy,then you are a fool.

Hello Arjay. A person who believes Muslim Fundamentalists are just misunderstood nice guys. Of course Arjay wouldn't want A.S.I.O. looking their way. Would you dearie.

Jayb the Muslim Fundies are just like the Christian and Zionist fundies; ie Fund a mental lists.

They are all power hungry lunatics like the ones who frequent our intelligence agencies whether they be Russian ,Western or Chinese.

Arjay: Muslim Fundies are just like the Christian and Zionist fundies; They are all power hungry lunatics like the ones who frequent our intelligence agencies whether they be Russian, Western or Chinese.

OMG, Arjay we finally agree on something. Way to go Arjay.

"Fund a mental lists." I do like that.

By the way, I see you didn't mention Islamists. No, I couldn't see any intelligence there either.

I think Intelligence Agencies are a necessary evil. You are dammed if you have them & totally beggared if you don't. I do believe that they can be the cause of controversy if the Government uses them in a way that pushes their own agenda. See Bush & Halliburton, etc.

Also see the combination of all I. A's after WW2. There was no money to fund the C.I.A. & America's support of Nationalist Chinese Government. The C.I.A. started the Golden Triangle to get money to supply the Nationalist Chinese with weapons. Burma fell to the Communists & they refused to let the C.I. A. move their drugs through their country. They went to Ho Chi Min in North Viet Nam. Who they had supported & armed, up until that time, against the French. Ho Chi Min refused also. So the C.I.A. went to the Sth. Vietnamese. They obliged. Hence the Viet Nam Conflict.

You see Arjay I'm not as naive as you may think, & I do know my history.

Jayb,is there a difference between being Islamic or Muslim?

I think the world collectively is headed for total chaos and those leading the charge,have totally lost the plot.Unless ordinary folk who hold up this fraglie umbrella called civilisation wake up and make a stand,the we are headed for a new dark age that George Orwell warned us about.

Arjay: Jayb, is there a difference between being Islamic or Muslim?

Summa, summa. Same, Same, but different. I guess. Either way you look at it they are both loony & dangerous to our Western Style freedom.

Arjay: I think the world collectively is headed for total chaos

Agreed: Humanity could probably do with a good culling anyway. (Tongue in cheek)

Arjay: and those leading the charge have totally lost the plot.
The more things change the more they stay the same. I'm sure they said that every 50 years threw out history.

Arjay: Unless ordinary folk who hold up this fragile umbrella called civilisation wake up and make a stand,

The thought is great, many have tried, and all have failed. Those leading the charge have too much at stake. I have done my bit in my own way at times.

Arjay: we are headed for a new dark age that George Orwell warned us about.

& Jesus is still coming "tomorrow" as he has been for 2000 years.

Arjay things are changing. With the invention of the internet more & more information is available to everyone. It's just how you chose to use it. For Good or evil. Fortunately the Intelligence Agencies mostly use it for good & to protect "ordinary folk" from those who would harm us "ordinary folk."

Would you rather they not keep tabs on someone who is importing Drugs & planning to give them to your children because it would interfere with that someone's "Civil Liberty." Or do you believe that that someone has the right to peddle drugs because you have told your children that taking drugs is a bad thing &, of course, they listen to you. Or would your children say that "you" are interfering with their "Civil Liberty."

It's a quandary. Isn't it?