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Boycotting Jews yet again : Comments
By Jonathan J. Ariel, published 13/11/2012The oldest hatred is back. At a café near you.
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Posted by one under god, Monday, 19 November 2012 2:55:57 PM
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My dear cohenite,
If you come on to this thread and within your first dozen words label me Jewishness then proceed to be totally inane with your comments you will be seen as a jumped up little twerp and be treated as such. I am happy to push the reset button any time you like. We have done it before and can do it again. In that spirit I will address your question. You wrote; "And how do you distinguish those actions from its right to exist; is the cause of the threats to Israel Israel's actions or because Islam objects to its very existence; is not Israel a microcosm of the West/Islam conflict and isn't this objection to Israel's actions merely a specific form of the general complaint against the West; that is, the West's hostility towards Islam is the reason for Islamic terrorism against the West?" Because I find the following version to be more demonstrably true. "And how do you distinguish those actions from its right to exist; is the cause of the threats to Gaza Gaza's actions or because Israel objects to its very existence; is not Gaza a microcosm of the Israel/Palestinian conflict and isn't this objection to Gaza's actions merely a specific form of the general complaint against the Palestinians; that is, the Palestine's hostility towards Israel is the reason for Israeli terrorism against Gaza?" Posted by csteele, Monday, 19 November 2012 3:39:45 PM
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To Jonathan J. Ariel,
The BDS movement is not anti-Jewish. It targets the Israeli state and businesses that either profit from or support Israel's human rights violations against the Palestinians. It does not target businesses on the grounds that they are owned by Jews. Max Brenner is targeted because it provides gift baskets to Israeli military personnel. The BDS movement did not link Jews collectively to Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. You did. Thus, it is you, and not the BDS movement, who is promoting anti-Semitism. To AVW, Contrary to your claim, Israel's Palestinian Arab citizens do not have the same rights as Jewish Israeli citizens. They are systematically discriminated against. Here are some links about it: http://www.arabhra.org/HRA/SecondaryArticles/SecondaryArticlePage.aspx?SecondaryArticle=1499 http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/08/01/israel-halt-demolitions-bedouin-homes-negev http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2008/03/30/map-0 http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/03/30/israel-end-systematic-bias-against-bedouin http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2004/08/10/israel-budget-discriminates-against-children-arab-citizens http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2004/08/11/israel-budget-discriminates-against-arab-citizens http://www.adalah.org/eng/backgroundhistory.php http://www.assoc40.org/en/ http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/content/israeli-palestinian-conflict-101 http://www.unhchr.ch/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/0/d16a879d21467cfbc1256e6300355d65/$FILE/G0411812.pdf http://www.nif.org/issue-areas/israeli-arabs/ http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/nea/154463.htm http://old.btselem.org/statistics/english/ And here is Israeli peace and human rights group Gush Shalom's description of that offer from Ehud Barak at Camp David. http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/downloads/baraks_offers To Cohenite, Contrary to your claim that, "[I]n fact there is no nation in the middle east which supports Israel's right to exist", at the least, Turkey, Jordan, and Egypt support Israel's right to exist. Also, regarding your argument that, "The Arabs rejected the UN partition and initiated a war to try and destroy Israel at its infancy", according to Avi Schlaim's book "Collusion Across The Jordan", the Zionist leadership only accepted the UN Partition Plan as a stepping stone to getting all of Palestine, which they succeeded with in 1967, and that Irgun Zvai Leumi commander - and future Israeli Prime Minister - Menachem Begin criticised the acceptance of the UN Partition Plan because it did not give all of Palestine to the Jews. Also, regarding your argument that there was no such country as Palestine, so what? There were already people living there, with farms, houses, schools, businesses, etc. Posted by fungus, Monday, 19 November 2012 5:11:31 PM
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What does this mean:
"If you come on to this thread and within your first dozen words label me Jewishness" "Jewishness"? And why are you talking about Gaza? Gaza is controlled by Hamas which does not recognise Israel while the bulk of the Palestinian territorities are controlled by Fatah; Hamas and Fatah are at each other's throats; who is Israel supposed to deal with? You cannot argue equivalence between Israel and the Palestinians or any islamic nation because because islam is a fundamentalist religion which is the antithesis of Western individual rights based democracies. One only has to look at who supports and has supported the Palestinians; Syria and Egypt, both basketcases where the Arab spring has been revealed to be an opportunity for the fundamentalists to take over, and Iran through its proxies. None of these 'nations' want an Israel state. Your attempt to reverse my question is therefore ridiculous. I maintain those who argue against Israel argue against the West and should be treated as such. Posted by cohenite, Monday, 19 November 2012 5:51:33 PM
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Yeah right fungas; we'll see how Morsi regards Israel in the coming months; Turkey's new islamist government has severely downgraded ties with Israel and who cares what Jordon does.
So, you agree with the Brenner protest stupidity because they give chocolate to the Israeli troops; the Greens give succour to Hamas and Hezbella; are you going to protest against them too? The wider issue is an aggressively expanding primitive religion, islam, which regards Western democracy as anathema to its theology. I am still waiting for some of the defenders of the protests against Brenner to express their attitude about islam. You go first fungas. Posted by cohenite, Monday, 19 November 2012 6:04:01 PM
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Dear cohenite,
That my friend was an errant autocorrection. The word of course is anti-jewish which you could have found by examining your first dozen words. There is a general agreement that these things should be ignored like I did when you misspelt Palestinian. Hamas doesn't want an Israeli state and Israel doesn't want a Palestinian one. Perfectly equivalent in most people's book. 12 members of the one Gazian family slaughtered in their house today. A marvelous example of Western values at play? Posted by csteele, Monday, 19 November 2012 6:14:49 PM
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please..*learn to do..due diligence
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/whatkilledarafat/2012/07/20127383653774794.html
A nine-month investigation..by Al Jazeera has revealed
Arafat was in good health..until he suddenly fell ill on October 12, 2004.
More importantly,..tests reveal that Arafat’s final personal belongings..his clothes,..his toothbrush,.kaffiyeh..contained abnormal levels of polonium,..>>>a rare,..highly radioactive element...
Those personal effects,..which were analyzed..at the Institut de Radiophysique/in Lausanne,Switzerland,..were variously stained with Arafat’s blood,sweat,saliva and urine.
The tests/carried out on those samples..suggested..that there was a high level of polonium..inside his body..when he died.
“I can confirm to you..that we measured..an unexplained elevated amount of unsupported polonium-210*..in the belongings of Mr.Arafat..that contained stains..of biological fluids,”{the director of the institute.}
The findings..have led Suha Arafat,his widow,..to ask the Palestinian Authority..to exhume her late husband’s body..from its grave in Ramallah.
*If tests..show that Arafat’s/bones..contain high levels..of polonium,..it would be more..*conclusive proof..that he was poisoned,doctors say.
""We have very substantial,..very important results.”
Unsupported_polonium..''
[continued/link..
ie..from israel..nuke facilities..
[i dont think semite/arabs
are allowed..a nuclear reacter..do you?..
so who else?
look at your mossad..my friend..and the nutty_yahoo.
by the way..is sharon/still on life support?..
dont that indictate someone has it..as a failsafe?..
evacuate the dead leader..let the chips fall as they will
but we know*..a bomb will devistate it/obliterate it unseen
aint total control great!
better too many links,..that to miss one..
LET THEM..go test arrafat..thats what this is all about.
[now im sure...so watch..how in a puff of smoke..
the the pillar..of a mushroom cloud obsures..the proof..by accident..lol of course.
my advisers..are only my spirit guides
if i need know..they nudge..or get others to...
but if you like think..what you will.
look lets play nice..for H_M..
you know..him..*G_D..the childish game..is over..
let really try
before israel gets trampled..or drowns in irrradiated/blood..
your grownup..tell your masters to grow up...
and i will use my guides advice..for looking for ways of healing...im so over wanting to be knowing this stuff..too.
try a new thing..serving thy brother..be a comforter
make gods land for the holy..not as a base for ongoing genocide.
how..can you not feel shame?..
done..IN YOUR NAME*