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Abortion a key factor in deciding this year's US election. : Comments

By Rose Espinola, published 2/11/2012

Women's issues, particularly in healthcare and mainly abortion, are pivotal for this election, and matter more than ever.

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I believe that this archaic push to try to force women to carry on with pregnancies they don't want, by some politicians in America, will only serve to lose them the election.

I have often asked on this forum exactly how people like these pro-life politicians would 'force' women to carry unwanted pregnancies?

Or maybe they would be happy to lose untold numbers of women to backyard abortionists, like back in the good ol' days
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 3 November 2012 12:58:34 AM
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There are only two valid positions in the abortion debate. Pro choice or pro life, no in between. If you believe the unborn has the rights of an individual then the means of their conception are irrelevant, the disgusting act of rape that results in a conception is of no relevance to the unborn. You can't have a valid stance that is pro life with conditions. I happen to be pro choice and find it pathetic that men, politicians or not, would try to control what a female does with her uterus. The unborn child is not an individual, it has never attained the status of an individual, it is in effect (up until a viable survival development stage, say 20 weeks) a parasite
Posted by mightor, Saturday, 3 November 2012 6:16:10 AM
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stevenlmeyer, with all due respect mate, I would prefer to avoid an abortion altogether.
[Simply put, it's nigh on impossible to ban abortion, or indeed, enforce any other entirely unenforceable law!]
My first option would be the morning after pill, which positively prevents ovulation, for the time any sperm are viable! And must be given, within a few short hours of the EVENT!
I would also want to monitor the rape victim for some months; for HIV and other life threatening STD's!
That said, there is always considerable trauma attached to rape, and sometimes the mother is pulled in just too many directions; especially by the religious right, or by the "opinionated", and may need time to come to a fully informed and entirely personal decision!?
Besides, at the end of the day, the timing of any clinical procedure, is not down to you or I, but the "incubator".
Having an unwanted baby, [becoming a slave mother,] can and or almost always does have whole of life ultra-negative consequences; and not just for the Mother!
As indeed, is being robbed by the system; and or, custom and convention, of a wanted one!
Just listen to some of those heart wrenching stories emanating from poor women, who were compelled by "circumstance", to give up their babies at birth!
Some say a baby is just a parasite for the first twenty weeks?
Well, that argument could be just as valid for, or extended to a suckling infant?
Or indeed, a wilful teenager, ARMED WITH RIGHTS and pester power, demanding this, that and the other, from parents, who may fully support the youngster, right through to a uni degree and "beyond"?
Cheers, Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Saturday, 3 November 2012 9:21:33 AM
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Rhrosty says "Some say a baby is just a parasite for the first twenty weeks?
Well, that argument could be just as valid for, or extended to a suckling infant?".....Well actually no, the argument is invalid for a suckling infant. The distinction here is the suckling infant is an individual that has breathed its first breath and most importantly it is viable away from it's nursing mother, another female can provide milk (wet nurses are / were known in many countries) Or any one over the age of about 12 could provide baby formula to sustain the infant. The unborn is just not viable if removed from the womb at around 20 weeks or less.
Back on topic: The candidate Paul Ryan supported a bill that defines life as the point of sperm penetrating the egg wall. The implications of this extreme position are huge. So if the Nut bag Ryan had his way, any woman who feared pregnancy and then took an overdose of the contraceptive pill (effectively the morning after pill) would be guilty of murder, how would they police this? Urine tests for all females of child bearing age? Insanity! Or how about the "mass murder" carried out in the IVF process when some fertilised eggs are discarded? Interestingly Mr Romney is a Grandfather of IVF children! So once again the extreme right elites are liars & Hypocrites!
Posted by mightor, Saturday, 3 November 2012 5:41:29 PM
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Even something as benign as vitamin C can and does render the pill ineffective? And the strength varies!
So by implication, relying on a possibly underdone overdose to prevent ovulation, is fraught with parasitical pregnancy possibilities?
I would prefer the surety of an over the counter morning after pill, to be sure that ovulation couldn't proceed, while any sperm remained viable!
Why did Paddy always wear three condoms?
Ah to be sure, to be sure, to be sure!
Simply put, and Paddy would say, ah to be sure, to be sure, one simply cannot abort or murder a child one has never ever conceived!
As for wet nursing?
Sure, sometimes there's no other choice!
And or, the stone-hearted can pass the parcel, and simply treat a human being as an object or inconvenient nuisance?
Why, it is even possible for a surrogate mother to carry the "parasite" to full term.
And indeed, take extreme umbrage with the, ostensibly offensive term, parasite?
As for lion Ryan, who along with other republicans in the congress, never ever consistently blocked or rigidly stone-walled President Obama's policy proposals?
And then never ever had the unmitigated hide to blame him for their non carriage?
And could conceivably be, the fastest Marathon runner on the planet, [an hour quicker,] in his weight for age group?
Is Ryan a Lion?
All levity aside, if men could become pregnant, Lion Ryan would, to be sure, to be sure, arrive at a completely different view!?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Sunday, 4 November 2012 8:24:35 AM
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this subject has been discussed extensively here and elsewhere...

what Im going to say is extremely controversial...but needs to be said...

Abortions now world wide, whether unofficial or officially conducted...or to see how its done with public money with no questions asked while completely hidden from the public...then please come to Victoria...

bottom line is this;

http://allpsych.com/disorders/dsm.html

its the official diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders...

now look at the definition and markers for sociopath then psychopath...

so you will realize that there is a official standard for human civil behaviour and when its no longer within this normal spectrum...

essentially, all our acts in each and every moment of our lives requires emotion as a component...normal emotional spectrum is integral in being human, or when diminished or absent then "subhuman"...

now killing an unborn baby, excluding the 'subhuman' application of law that has empowered abortions, will place all involved in abortions, particularly the woman demanding an abortion will come within the definition of a sociopath...and its a fine line to psychopath...sobbing into a white handkerchief doesnt diminish the abomination being demanded...

and the woman, and all those and things that are made to empower this, and allow the abortion to be completed...are then psychopaths...killing of innocent...

lets not fool ourselves to otherwise...

it will stop...just need the power to shift from the subhumans to normal humans...and I hope soon as possible...

sam
Posted by Sam said, Sunday, 4 November 2012 9:23:33 PM
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