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Abortion a key factor in deciding this year's US election. : Comments

By Rose Espinola, published 2/11/2012

Women's issues, particularly in healthcare and mainly abortion, are pivotal for this election, and matter more than ever.

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America seems to be going through one of its periodic bouts of religious fervour. The last one resulted in prohibition.

I have a feeling the current one is at or near its peak. Hopefully the Republican party will now recover from its madness and we shall see the emergence of a genuinely conservative party in the US able to tackle the real problems facing the country.

And hopefully the Liberals here will echo that change and reverse their drift towards Republican style in(s)anity.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Friday, 2 November 2012 11:01:57 AM
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When does life begin? With conception? Conception can and sometimes does, simply lead to a stillborn baby?
So it's an argument, which like so much archaic, flat earth, belief based doctrine, simply has no scientific; or indeed, no truth based foundation?
For mine, life actually begins with a beating heart!
The quite deliberate stilling of a beating heart outside the womb, is murder!?
Why is it not also murder, to still a beating heart inside the womb?
Sure, without a shadow of doubt, a women does have an absolute right to decide issues relating to her body!
But, with pregnancy, the body inside her is not only not her body, it belongs to a completely different individual, as does the beating heart.
However, there are still times where stilling another beating heart, is not only okay, but sometimes necessary/compulsory!
If the pregnancy was the product of rape, then no fair-minded person on the planet would, could or should compel the mother, to go full term!
Rape includes all forms of uninformed, and or, non-consential sex!
For mine the morning after pill would be mandatory, and available on demand across the counter, rather than an option.
Moreover, there are a number of cogent medical reasons, where the mother's health would be placed in real jeopardy, if forced to go full term!
If lion Ryan were forced to "pass" a bowling ball, placed inside his abdominal cavity, without his informed consent; he would be the very first to reverse his absurd, asinine, abhorrent absolutism?
Lion Ryan's ill-advised comment, could conceivably cost the Romney the presidency?
Even Sarah Palen would have not been quite that vacuous, and engaged brain, before putting mouth into gear!?
That said, and given another person's beating heart could be stilled!?
Abortion on demand can never ever be considered as a convenient substitute for easily and widely available contraception.
I mean, besides "the pill", there are condoms and the morning after pill, if a possible pregnancy is unwanted?
[The rhythm method is hopefully, occasionally, successful, as is abstinence!]
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 2 November 2012 11:22:54 AM
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Rhrosty wrote:

>>For mine, life actually begins with a beating heart!>>

That's in about the sixth week of pregnancy - say around half way through the first trimester.

So, cases of rape or medical reasons excepted, you would allow abortion up to around the 6th or 7th week?

http://www.babycenter.com.au/pregnancy/fetaldevelopment/06weeks/

>>The embryo is the size of a lentil this week [week 6]

[...]

You can't hear it yet, but the heart (which has divided into the right and left chambers) is beating at about 150 beats a minute -- twice the rate of yours.>>
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Friday, 2 November 2012 11:53:18 AM
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The article was not about when 'life begins' but rather about how important Abortion is in the election, and the different approaches to it within American politics.
Posted by Rose Anon, Friday, 2 November 2012 2:12:25 PM
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The problem here is not so much Romney, but the baggage that he
carries with him. That includes Ryan, the religious right, the tea
party and all the other fruit loops and fanatics.

Lets hope that the women of America don't vote for them.
Posted by Yabby, Friday, 2 November 2012 3:07:45 PM
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Rhosty says "If the pregnancy was the product of rape, then no fair-minded person on the planet would, could or should compel the mother, to go full term!"
I fail to see how rape is a reasonable ground for killing an unborn child. If you believe that the unborn child is a genuine human being then the fact that their father is a rapist should not mean that they are punished by death for his crime. As much as rape is a terrible thing, the baby is innocent of this crime.
If the mothers life is at risk that is another point altogether. All humans have the right to self defence and accordingly if the pregnancy is threatening the life of the mother she has every moral right to abort it.
Rhosty says "If lion Ryan were forced to "pass" a bowling ball, placed inside his abdominal cavity, without his informed consent; he would be the very first to reverse his absurd, asinine, abhorrent absolutism."
But we're not talking about a bowling ball are we?
Abortion is not only a religious issue. I myself am an atheist yet can't help feeling we have gone astray as a society when we kill unborn babies for the sake of convenience
Posted by Rhys Jones, Friday, 2 November 2012 3:23:52 PM
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