Here you go, SM.

Looks like there'll be more lessons than just those from history.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-18/alan-jones-ordered-to-do-journalism-training/4320534

Good morning,

Well, things are moving forward intriguingly.

Every day more advertisers seem to be deserting 2GB's breakfast show.

And the concerns expressed in the article that Alan Jones has a long history of fabrications and of ridiculing and censoring callers who challenge his facts have been addressed by ACMA.

Back to school for Jones, it seems, as Poirot has noted:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/alan-jones-ordered-to-undergo-factual-accuracy-training-20121018-27srs.html

The question then is: will Jones pay attention?

According to this evidence, probably not:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSXPHm2dtO8

@R0bert, thanks for those links. Have checked them all.

They led eventually to Chris Masters’ book, “Jones Town, the power and myth of Alan Jones.”

http://www.allenandunwin.com/_uploads/BookPdf/Extract/9781741751567.pdf

It’s clear Jones has been a bully victimising those weaker than himself for his entire adult life.

He has been a fabricator – concocting a world of lies, deception and fantasy – since early childhood.

So is it really likely any of this will change now Jones is 65? Or is it 68? 71? 73?

Cheers, AA

So Jones got his figures wrong in a statement 18 months ago. Should he have checked? Absolutely.

Should things be put in place to stop these slip ups in the future sure. Should this apply to other public figures that tell porkies on a much larger scale? Absolutely, Juliar Gillard should be sitting with Allan Jones.

Does this mean that AJ is " a fabricator – concocting a world of lies, deception and fantasy" Absolutely not.

Is 2GB the only one to get things wrong? Also not:

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/murdoch-demands-abc-apologise-for-lie-20121018-27tvb.html

Have his listeners abandoned him? Apparently not, and this means that his airtime is hugely lucrative for advertisers.

I know I'm running somewhat off thread but I do think the rate of outrage at Jones is telling given how often actions that align with other political views are either ignored or encouraged.

In relation to accuracy in statistics, Qld health had for a long time the following on it's website (it's been gone for a while now).

"DOMESTIC VIOLENCE is the physical, sexual, emotional or psychological abuse of trust and power between partners in a spousal relationship. One of my earlier references was at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=3538#8327

Most (85% to 98%) domestic violence is perpetrated by men against women."

It might be a case of juggling definitions, if you use as a baseline the assumption that men almost always have the power in a spousal relationship then it's difficult for a woman to abuse said power.

If you skip that assumption and look at incidents of physical, sexual emotional or psychological abuse then it's a difficult claim to support. Even the gendered DV research rarely puts the physical abuse at that range, good luck on substantiating the emotional, psychological or trust parts from credible research.

Alan Jones should take more care with his figures but it's a lot more concerning when government departments push stats and views which are not soundly based on credible research.

I've seen similar claims in other government material, there was an article on OLO some time back which touched on inclusion into various acts a statement about DV being mostly perpetrated by men. I'm sure most of us saw the previous governments add campaigns which portrayed DV is an entirely one sided manner.

Why are those so outraged by Jones claimed hatred of women not even more outraged when government pushes a gender agenda?

R0bert

Speaking of lessons from history maybe Alan can take this to his mate Bromberg:

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/boxing/mundine-mocks-geales-heritage-20121018-27tgp.html#ixzz29dKl5MNC

Good morning all,

Well, this is the issue that keeps on giving …

Supabarn, First National Real Estate and Mitre 10 have now cancelled advertising with Alan Jones also.

Satirists are having a field day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0K5RrDYVLU

@Shadow Minister: Yes, Jones concocted false data 18 months ago. But that’s not all, is it? He fabricates, distorts and lies every day. And has been doing so most of his life.

ACMA – and 104,000 petitioners and protestors and ex-advertisers – are now saying ‘Enough is enough’!

As Chris Masters wrote some years ago, “My own research found little that is honourable in the way Alan Jones and his controllers exercise influence …

“Close examination of Alan Jones’ attitude to giving his audience the facts, be it about Telstra, Optus, Labor or Liberal, reveals a fraud at work. There is a wealth of evidence to show Jones lies, flatters, dissembles and excludes. While he does work determinedly for his Struggle Street audience, by underpinning his power base they also work effectively for him.”

It is important to understand this, SM, so we are not sucked in.

SM, did you actually read that SMH article about Rupert? They are mocking him. The article shows there’s no basis for demanding an apology.

Can you find this story in a Murdoch rag? It depicts Rupert in a tawdry light – effectively as the godfather of lies, deception and fabrication.

And no, SM, as proven elsewhere, the PM has never told a direct, blatant lie like those of Alan Jones or his sycophants John Howard and Tony Abbott:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvYzLIywCiA

@R0bert: Yes, agree all organisations must strive for accuracy.

“Why are those so outraged by Jones claimed hatred of women not even more outraged when government pushes a gender agenda?”

Fair question, R0bert. Probably because Jones’ misogyny is combined with so much fabrication and personal malice. And because he has succeeded in getting listeners to believe his lies are the truth.

@Cohenite. Why would that link be of interest to Justice Bromberg? Are the views of Anthony Mundine riddled with multiple malicious lies? Don’t think so.

Cheers, AA