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It’s time to come clean on Muslims and the west : Comments
By Mohamad Tabbaa, published 26/9/2012So many people, on all sides, have unanswered questions and are experiencing feelings of anger, confusion, anxiety and frustration.
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Posted by Rhrosty, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:46:22 PM
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Graham Richardson dealt quite adequately with this nonesense paper last week in the Australian.
Further it might help as a budding academic if he did some better research on his topic, before postulating any theories and advice. One source of good analytical material on Islam would be this site. http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/islam-is-not-part-of-our-civilization/ Lets face it, the trylogy of books underpinning this primitive ideology, shows that Islam is largely: 1. Anti Kaffir,...thats you and me 2. Anti semitic, in way that is more outrageous than Hitlers Mein Kampf 3. Tribal and primtive, and well over due for a reformation Make sure you scan the two Bulletins put out on a regular basis;viz Bulletin of Christian Persecution, and Bulletin on the Oppression of women Sydney was just the portents of whats to come..unless we more strenuously defend ourselves and our freedoms from this ideology of mad mullahs Posted by bigmal, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:59:17 PM
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Mohamad, your non-confrontational article is welcome; however could you go a little further and answer your own question--"what are Muslims angry about?'. If they are angry about things that happen in places other than Australia; so am I, and there is little I can do about them, certainly not violently protesting in the streets. ( I don't like animals being tortured so I support WSPA)
I do agree with the previous comments about accepting the laws of the country in which one choose to live. Personally I am disappointed that when once there was no country which I would not feel safe to visit, that is now no longer the case. Posted by Noelreg, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 2:06:08 PM
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Hooray! Finally we can talk honestly about Islam! Let's go...
Sam Harris The Problem with Islamic Fundamentalism are the Fundamentals of Islam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDMOxjHIt0U Islam: What the West Needs to Know - Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-GBMUqRU8#t=21s David Wood: Three Stages of Jihad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw Andrew Bostom: Jihad - Academic View http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziz4UPiueXE Fitna the Movie http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=216_1207467783 A Rational Study of Radical Islam, by Dr. Bill Warner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9sYgqRtZGg Can't wait for the honest discussion to begin. Posted by mralstoner, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 2:25:53 PM
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"we need to ask: what are Muslims so angry about?"
So this is another article asking non-Muslims to be more understanding and to accept Muslim hate and anger. Not once does the author suggest that Muslims may be wrong. Not once does he suggest that non-Muslims and Australia deserve respect. Actually, it is time for Muslims to come clean and admit they follow a god that encourages hate and violence and follow a prophet who himself said "I am made victorious with terror". It should be clear by now that Muslims cannot live in peace with non-Muslims. Their values are those of Mohammed, a man that attacked others dozens of times, plundered, raped, lied, tortured, and enslaved men women and children (well, that is what Islam's own hadith say). Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 2:36:38 PM
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That line about "Honest, sincere, and genuine discussion" is precious.
Since when do Muslims want a discussion about the hate and violence in the Quran? Since when do they want to talk about the vile actions of their prophet recorded in their own traditions? Since when do they want to talk about how they treat others where they dominate? If they wanted a discussion, they could calmly take a silly video like the "Innocence of Muslims" (the latest outrage) and refute point by point the narrative (if any) in that film, since it supposedly is about Mohammed taking little girls to his bed and attacking others (I did not, will not watch it). The problem, of course, is that these things come from Islam's own writings, so they can't debate, so they go violent. See what happens when one talks about these things... http://americanbedu.com/2012/09/20/saudi-arabiagccmuslim-world-where-do-we-go-from-here/ At least the Muslims there on American Bedu try to justify their opinions, Mr Tabbaa can only ask for "understanding" in a one-way, no fault configuration, insinuating that non-Muslims are wrong and must change (and accept Muslim hate and rage as normal and justified). This is the result of the "islam is perfect" and "Muslims are the best of peoples" mentality that is the core of this ideology. To them, it is never their fault (after all, Islam is perfect and Muslims are the best of people). With that mentality, Mr Tabbaa's argument makes sense, in a perverted, twisted way. There is no hope. Posted by kactuz, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 2:52:22 PM
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Even though its spiritual nature was set aside; and or, turned into something codified and legalistic.
That there is only one true God! But all others, who also believe in a one true God have to be condemned, put to the sword; and their wealth and possessions forfeited; because their one true God is known by another name. {Schematics, rather than infidel disbelief!]
Albeit, their name for a one true God, preceded Islam and or its foundation.
[The Hi'jab sprang from legalistic codification, the nomadic Arab culture/desert dress, not Islam?]
The trouble with any unproven and entirely unprovable belief system, is the fact that it is usually founded on myth and legend, or transmitted to the rest of us by someone like us, flesh and blood, who claims to have seen visions or heard the voice of God. And there are a plethora of often very different regional variations, depending on what was popular or part of the native culture before the arrival of this or that religion or codified legal system?
Today we medicate or lock those, who see or hear God, away.
Moreover, many religious belief will only allow so much prophesy?
[In Christian theology it ended with Christ, with persons like Joan Of Arc, burnt at the stake for daring to be both a female and see the future, accurately!?]
With any credible new prophets simply labelled nuts, cranks and bolts?
Even those sent/tasked to clear up the mess created by the endless revision and editing of the, so-called holy word?
Revision that has turned what once was Idealistic God worship; into political institutions, fighting everyone else and themselves for domination and the dollar?
Faith and belief as was once taught has morphed into hate of all things different, be it colour or culture etc/etc?
And where once the poor the sick/intellectually challenged and the disadvantaged, were assisted unconditionally, now they are preyed on or used as ignorant political pawns?
Deportation beckons!?
Rhrosty.