There is no people smuggling, why is it that even intelligent people fall for that crap?

Under international law it is forbidden to punish anyone for paying to seek asylum, they are not being smuggled against their will after all, they are allowed to pay who they can and Australia just has to stop this demented whinging.

Why is it that Carr can mouth a big number and you Klaas go into this Andrew Bolt type rant.

Everyone has the right to seek asylum and Indonesia is already torturing, killing, deporting and pushing away refugees at our expense while we let them drown.

Here is a newsflash for the twits who think we own other nations borders - we don't.

We cannot by law stop one person from leaving one country to enter any other country so what is the point of this sort of racist rant?

We are a nation of pathetic, whiney cry babies terrified we might lose a bit of our soil.

We don't do it in Indonesia because Indonesia is not our country.

What could be simpler than that Klaas?

While admitting Indonesia’s culpability, I have always felt a degree of sympathy for the Indonesians.

I mean , being positioned next door to Australia must be like living next door to Jay Gatsby (all night parties with free drink, food and entertainment).
In their haste to get the freebies on offer the gate crashes are tramping across the neighbors lawns and even shortcutting through the neigbours
living room.

Sure Indonesia could stop the flow of illegals (one more time for Marilyn, ILLEGALS)
But Australia could do it more effectively if it just stopped holding all-night parties: got tough on illegal immigration.


And yes, I know it would be seen as unsporting by some –particularly those like Marilyn who have found self actualization in waitessing to the gatecrashers. but heck, did any of the parties goers ever appreciate or remember Jay Gatsby --and look how he ended up!

That is a good comparison, SPQR.

I suggest that Klaas Woldring have a look at the Global Footprint Network site. This NGO is an international thinktank composed of scientists, engineers, and economists. Their mission is to do global accounts of natural resources, consumption, and environmental degradation, based on the best statistics from the UN and the individual countries, then put it all together in a consistent picture. Their 2010 atlas is particularly informative. Far from resources being unlimited, it would take the resources of 3 Earths to give everyone a modest Western European standard of living. Globally, we are in 40% environmental overshoot, using up renewable resources much faster than they can be replenished. Opening the borders is a recipe for suicide. Australia looks big on the map, but it is mostly desert, with very few areas of really good soil. Back in 1994, the Australian Academy of Sciences recommended 23 million as a safe upper limit to the population.

He might also look at the 2006 Productivity Commission Report on Immigration. The days when Australia as a whole, rather than just the folk at the top, could benefit from high population growth are long past. From p. 154

"Most of the economic benefits associated with an increase in skilled migration accrues to the immigrants themselves. For existing residents, capital owners receive additional income, with owners of capital in those sectors experiencing the largest output gains enjoying the largest gains in capital income. On the other hand, the real average annual incomes of existing resident workers grows more slowly than in thebase-case, as additional immigrants place downward pressure on real wages. The economic impact of skilled migration is small when compared with other drivers of productivity and income per capita."

This doesn't even consider the negative impacts of crowding and congestion in our cities, ethnic tensions, enormous infrastructure costs to accommodate the additiional people (9.6% of GNP for 1.4% population growth, according to a recent article by economist Jane O'Sullivan in Economic Affairs), skyrocketing housing costs, pressure on the environment and amenity, etc.

There is no win/win solution.

There is no such thing as an illegal human being no matter how many times dingbats claim it is so.

SBY's bodyguard, army officers and Indonesian police though are the so-called smugglers which makes it dirty push offs.