Classic symptoms: Only see what you want to see, eh SPQR?

No SPQR, that is not the thread I was referring to, although I can understand why you made the mistake.

Since you raise it, there is plenty of science on Wikipedia, much more in the footnotes and references - for those who have the capacity to go there of course. Most don't, SPQR.

Nevertheless, if this article's author can go to Wikipedia, it seems rather disingenuous (if not hypocritical) that others should be remonstrated for doing the exact same thing.

I guess that's just the way things are though, you and your fellow travellers stuck in the mud and deaf, dumb and blind to what is real - preferring to pretend that all is sweet if only the boogeyman will go away.

Sorry to prick your balloon SPQR, only progressive thinkers and doers will make our Earth a safer and more egalitarian home to live in.

Don Aitkin,

The agreement or so-called consensus happens to be among people trained in the various areas associated with climate science. You say that Manne "...must therefore believe somebody...." Well, glory be, if he chooses to believe climate scientists.

The fact is that this whole issue has been converted into a political one, because those who luxuriate in the status quo, do not want to lose the reins...it's growth, growth, growth - and let's deny the veracity of those who are more likely to understand the science.

Judging by your view, we should toss out scientific opinion in all areas if the ordinary layman is going to ignore and attack overwhelming agreement by scientists on future issues.

There has never been a consensus. Oreskes is either deranged or dishonest or both, and had a lot of dishonest backers, particularly Wikipedia, the staff of which behaved disgracefully.

Over 31,000 scientists signed a petition asking the US Senate to take no acion on AGW until there was some scientific basis established , to show that it warranted any action. Freeman Dyson is a notable signatory, and the petirion may be viewed at:

http://www.petitionproject.org/

Robert Manne is well known for his irrationality. A fervent believer in the fiction of the “Stolen Generation”, he has been repeatedly challenged to, and failed to, produce a single instance of a stolen aboriginal child. Similarly, AGW backers fail to produce any science to show any measurable influence of human activities on climate. Manne mendaciously dodges the issue.

The AGW scam is dead.

“Some of the preeminent scientists involved in promoting global-warming alarmism have been disgraced and discredited, after being caught in flagrante in unethical and illegal activities. Even before the 2009 "Climategate" e-mail scandal, many leading scientists who had earlier been true believers in man-made global warming (anthropogenic global warming, or AGW) had begun jumping ship and joining the AGW skeptic side. Since then, the defections have turned into a veritable flood, making this one of the great untold stories of the major establishment media, which continue to trumpet the alarmist propaganda”

The whole article is an excellent summary of the collapse of this attempted fraud:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/7mvumju

bonmot and Poirot, the Heckle and Jeckle of the climate debate, entertain once again; bonmot says:

"only progressive thinkers and doers will make our Earth a safer and more egalitarian home to live in."

Hilarious!

And then, just as you think it couldn't get any funnier Poirot wheels out the consensus argument, again.

Still, we can only stand so much mirth and this nonsense will, hopefully, be swept into the garbage can of apocalyptic finales lived through, a long list, after the next election.

No doubt bonmot and Poirot will still be crusading for the cause and have their coal trains already picked out to which they are going to chain themselves to.

Some prior notification from them would be good as I can then plan a picnic and watch the protest unfold from a safe distance; and later maybe wander down after the arrests and hand out my work card to the great unwashed/concerned so they have adequate legal representation for their day in court.

Can somebody tell me why there is so much venom being propagated by those who are opposed to the idea of AGW. Why can't you engage in reasoned debate without all this cant. How about looking dispassionately at the evidence before you come up with irrational conclusions.

David

Poirot and Kenny and others

As has been pointed out many times now.. your fabled scientists are actually dealing in business subjects.. forecasting is a business subject, not a science one and its clear that they've stuffed it up without realising it (look at my earlier post).. and then done really amateurish thing like say they are certain of the results (anyone who knows about forecasting would never say that).

As for the conspiracy/concensus point, the best analogy is that of Freudian psychiatry. Even when Fraud and his disciplines kicked off their brand of psychiatry a few brave souls pointed out that ther was no clinical proof for his theories? The few strong personalities at the centre of its all (Freud and Jung and others)simply assserted they were right because they had observed a few patients and carried on. Because their views held a certain mystery and attraction they dominated for many years. It took medical science decades to get rid of Freudian treatments.

Similarly current climate theories hold consdierable attraction for certain individuals and, as scare stories attract funding, the whole thing has taken on a life of its own. It will make a fascinating case study in the history of science. Now the tide is turning a lot of the supporters who are scientists are falling away..