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If speed limits were appropriate, we wouldn’t mind so much : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 16/8/2012

If a majority of people thought speed limits were appropriate, enforcing them would be easy.

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Wether you think it appropriate or not that is not your call, car picking up speed going down hill, all cars are supposed to be fitted with brakes.
A few k's over may as well be 100k's over.
I have no sympathy for people getting booked with cameras.
People who speed up as soon as a derestriction sign appears in the distance, need to be policed more.
All suburban traffic needs to be 40 ks' regardless of where it is.
Some roads designated 100 k's are not capable of it, most notably in QLD, and some should be closed.
Unless you get that a little bit over is not ok, you will continue to fill govt; revenue.
Death caused by driving over the limit should be murder.
Posted by 579, Saturday, 18 August 2012 12:28:20 PM
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<<The problem is, any offense committed… is only ever an alleged offense, which, by the very nature of the law, is challengeable in a court of law. >>

Rehctub, the police will tell us that if a complaint is made, they have to act on it! Is this just total lie or what? Because it sure as hell isn’t so when it comes to road safety!

But you see signs all over the place imploring us to report hazards on the highway, report littering, report smoky vehicles, report suspicious activity as part of neighbourhood watch, etc, etc….. but oh noooo, don’t you dare report a dangerous, illegal or offensive driver!!

I really couldn’t be more disgusted with my experiences with the police regarding this stuff.

Yes, such complaints would generally be a matter of hearsay without hard evidence. But if the police were to have a complaint booking system so that they could match complaints about the same vehicle or driver, then they could certainly act. If they received multiple independent complaints, then that would amount to pretty strong evidence.

Hey, when it comes to littering or loitering or all manner of other stuff, there is often no hard evidence either. But that doesn’t stop the cops from acting!

One of the biggest problems with speeding and road safety in general is that offenders generally feel that the thin blue line is very thin indeed and that the chances of getting caught in any particular instance are very small.

Well, if we could change that and make the chance of them getting busted large enough to make all but the stupidest morons pull their ugly heads in, then we’d practically have the whole road safety issue dealt with.

And the way to do that is to empower the public to report stuff, and to take hard evidence if they can…. which can pretty easily be done in many instances with your mobile phone, VCR, camera, Ipod, etc! A few photos, a bit of moving footage or audio recording, and Bob’s your bloomin uncle!
Posted by Ludwig, Saturday, 18 August 2012 1:20:41 PM
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Ludwig wrote: "A few photos, a bit of moving footage or audio recording, and Bob’s your bloomin uncle!"

He isn't, and he won't be, because unless the offence is detected by an automatic device or a cop on the beat, it costs the State more to prosecute the offender than the State can hope to recover by way of fines. And it is the unwritten policy of all State and Territory governments that traffic policing is a profit centre, not a cost centre.
Posted by grputland, Saturday, 18 August 2012 2:29:37 PM
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Alan Parker •OAM

Bicyclists and pedestrians are safer on urban roads in five EU countries per100,000 population. Non motorised road users are much less safe in most US. and Australia urban areas but there are exceptions. The best thing that US bicyclists and pedestrians have going for them of all ages have going for them 47 states is a 25 Mile/Hr limit (33 km/hr) on residential streets that are not main roads. There are also 16 US cities with much lower death rates for cyclists, pedestrians and other road users per 100,000 population . In Australia much progress has been made in Canberra, Adelaide, Melbourne, Perth and some provincial cities.

In the area of Speed limits and their enforcement Australalia and US urban areas their a serious public health problem because road safety is percieved as a motorised transport problem for 40 years. However, in Europe it is as a public health
problem. This is why fatality risk has been reduced by more than 40%. In 2010, the Netherlands 3.7 and Sweden 3.0 deaths per 100.000 persons (IRTAD 2011). and Australia at 6.23 that much as 800 deaths a year than it should be

In the Netherlands cyclists’ are much safer, Since 1970 the reduction in road fatalities has benefited all age groups but the most impressive reduction has concerned young bicyclists (the age group 0 to 14) for which fatalities decreased by 95%, from 459 in 1970 to 23 in 2008 (IRTAD 2011). 70% of Dutch local urban roads have a 30 Km/hr speed limit and the police take a tougher approach to unsafe drivers. . Since 1970, the reduction in child deaths (0 to 14) from 459 to 23 in 2008 was impressive, decreasing by 95%. For the elderly of 65+ years deaths reduced from 648 in 1970 to 187 in 2009 (IRTAD 2011).. Also on main roads with bicycle lanes the speed limit is 50 km/hr.

IRTAD (2011) Annual report 2010,International Road Traffic and Accident Database by International Traffic Safety Data and Analysis Group www.Iirtad .net.
Posted by PEST, Saturday, 18 August 2012 4:02:35 PM
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Do be quiet there PEST, you're only encouraging the buggers. Keep up this sort of thing, & they will start to believe bicycle riding is a safe activity, & the place will be swarming with the damn things.

Haven't you noticed that cars are becoming softer, plastic bumpers & the like, but bikes aren't. You only have to run over a couple of the damn things, & you're likely to have scratches all over your nice car. Do you realise the damn things aren't registered, no number plates so how the hell can we report them for riding on the roads we have paid for, I ask you?

So do be careful. It's bad enough now with all that paint wasted on painting bike paths on the road, that no one ever uses. Just think how bad things would become if people started using the things. I shudder at the thought.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 18 August 2012 5:26:38 PM
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Hasbeen I got an OAM for encouraging bicyclists a long time ago.

What about the 800 road deaths we could do without and and brown poo that hangs over Sydney and Melbourne. Thats also part EU Public health approach of the EU to road safety.
As Prince Charles once said " I like Australians but they are a coarse lot and there is nothing courser than an Australian petrol head.
Posted by PEST, Saturday, 18 August 2012 6:15:05 PM
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