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If speed limits were appropriate, we wouldn’t mind so much : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 16/8/2012

If a majority of people thought speed limits were appropriate, enforcing them would be easy.

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4. The powerlessness of the public to assist in policing. I’ve tested this out with a number of complaints in various states around the country over about a fifteen year period, only bothering to go to the cops with quite serious complaints, re: chronic tailgating and other stupid antics that are broadly related to speed limits and peoples’ abject lack of regard for them. THE COPS JUST DON’T WANT TO KNOW!! This is a HUGE flaw in the management of speed limits and of road safety overall. The public needs to be empowered to assist in the policing effort.

5. Temporary slow zones at roadworks have just totally got out of control! I have witnessed this all across the country. People just treat them as a vague indication to slow down a bit. If you observe these speed limits right from the start all the way through to the end of the zone, you really do find yourself at stark odds with the traffic flow!

And so on.

In short, the whole speed limit and road safety caboodle is extremely poorly administered, IMHO.
Posted by Ludwig, Friday, 17 August 2012 10:21:05 AM
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It's not compulsory to drive over the speed limit, so why revenue raising. Police drive with flashing lights, does that mean if you think you are not being watched it's alright to break the law.
Why not drive to the road rules and everybody will get a fair go.
It's time fines were set at a realistic amount , instead of pocket money. You can go to court and argue why you were breaking to road rules.
It's time the police got tough. Injuries and death cause billions a year.
Serial offenders, life time bans, as uneducationable.
Posted by 579, Friday, 17 August 2012 10:32:19 AM
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579, if were not revenue raising, why then are there no speed traps in most main streets, where traffic and people share the roads?

Surely, 60 in a 40slow shared zone is more a risk than 115 on an open highway 100 zone.

Also, why are speed traps often placed on slight down hill runs?

Which ever way you look at it, there is a lot of revenue raising goimg on.

The sad truth is that without road accidents, we would have far less jobs, and without offenders, the likes of health, education etc would have to be slashed to pay for roads.

Which of these would you slash?, or, as usual, would you simply ask the big end of town to pay more?

Another reality is that the percentage of accidents per trips is minuscule.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 17 August 2012 12:24:21 PM
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Sorry Luddy, got to disagree with you on the speed bumps. Have a chat to an ambulance driver, or fire fighter for that matter, & I'm sure you will change your mind.

Traffic calmer curves are in the same boat, & are perhaps worse really. When an acreage sub-development went in between us & the main road, they widened the bitumen on our road to just wide enough for 2 small trucks to pass without putting wheels into the dirt. Hooray.

Then the bl00dy idiot bureaucrats made them build pretend roundabouts with 60mm high, 200mm round markers, where ever they ran side roads.

Not only were these fool things too small for a horse float, or a truck to get round, they were upsetting the horses when we had to bump over them.

Then the hoons found them. I believe the record for getting through these things, [on our 60Km/H road], without hitting any of the top hats was at 86KM/H when a horse owner, & a near by house owner combined to jack hammer them off the road, & stop their little game. As you can imagine, requests for the removal of the things to our fool council had met no assistance.

Yet again our bureaucrats who demanded these things had refused to accept that their unintended consequences were worse than any problem they saw.

So if you want a motorkhana track in your street, just add little roundabouts.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 17 August 2012 1:19:50 PM
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<< Sorry Luddy, got to disagree with you on the speed bumps. Have a chat to an ambulance driver, or fire fighter for that matter, & I'm sure you will change your mind. >>

Haz, I’m only thinking of them as being appropriate on minor suburban roads where the speed limit is 50 and we want it to be lowered to 40 in front of schools. So, gentle speed bumps and curves, which are more visual signals to slow down than anything else.

I take it then that you agree with everything else I have said in my previous five posts on this thread?
Posted by Ludwig, Friday, 17 August 2012 8:57:05 PM
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Luddy, The public needs to be empowered to assist in the policing effort.

The problem is, any offense committed, or more so, issued with an infringement, is only ever an alleged offense, which, by the very nature of the law, is challengeable in a court of law.

Any lawyer worth his salt would simply have any such case thrown out, siting substantial evidence as the police were not there, and it is for this reason (my opinion) that the police put it into the too hard basket.

Many people get frustrated by the amount of police resources seemingly wasted at RBT' s and alike, but it's for the same reason, as the offense, even drink driving, is only an allegation until either the fine is paid, or the case is contested in court.

As for road works, these limits should only apply when there is actually work being performed, as this is what causes the most frustration here.

I drove from Miles yesterday and about 15 km of the highway outside Dalby was only one lane, with a detour for the other lane. Less than 1 km was actually being worked on.

I don't see the point in having 15km with reduced speed limit for the whole time.
Posted by rehctub, Saturday, 18 August 2012 10:34:15 AM
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