Thanks Yuyutsu

David G, Arjay

Let me spell it out for you.

I grew up among Holocaust survivors. I knew people who had been in camps including two of my grandparents.

But do you know what was worse than hearing about the camps David G?

It was hearing about what went on before the camps, about being shunned by people you thought were your friends, about being sacked from your job, about having your business go down because your customers went away. It was about not being able to complete a medical degree because the professor didn't want you in his class.

It was about sending your children on "Kinder Transport" to distant England knowing that you would probably never see them again but hoping they, at least, would be safe. There are still people from Kinder Transport here in Melbourne. I know some of them.

Then there was the radio, the shrieking radio, blaring out a message of hatred day after day.

Many German Jews had difficulty comprehending the scale of what was befalling them. They could not understand how civilised Germany went from relatively "Jew friendly" to hell in a few short years. "Surely," they thought, "this madness will blow over. Surely sanity will be restored. Somebody will stop these mad Nazis."

But nobody did and so one in three Jews in the whole world died in Nazi camps. A tiny sliver of humanity became tinier still.

And here are the two lessons of the Holocaust

--When someone says they want to exterminate you take them at their word and plan accordingly.

--When the chips are down nobody is going to help you, not in the death camps, not in Srebenicza and not in Rwanda. "Never again" really means "always again."

So when your neighbours shriek their hatred of you, you arm yourself with the most potent weapons you can find and you let them know that, when "push comes to shove" you will use them.

And sanctimonious blathering from a safe island continent will count for nothing.

Dear Arjay,

<<The Zionists in Israel have created their own enemies by treating Palistinians and their neighbours with violence and contempt.>>

But so far, no such selective nuclear weapon was ever invented which hits Zionists alone and leaves others untouched. In the case of a nuclear attack against Israel, innocent people, including Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, will not be spared - to the contrary in fact, because their building and sheltering standards are relatively lower than their Jewish neighbours (yet still relatively better than Australian standards!).

<<They show no contrition and just continue to meddle in the affairs of other nations for their own advantage.>>

The way Israel treats its neighbours (as opposed to the issue of this article - having nuclear weapons and the means for a second-strike), is NOT in Israel's own advantage, only in the PERCEIVED advantage of its leaders.

Those two issues are separate. By all means, do show Israel the way to treat its neighbours better, nudge it if necessary, but trying to destroy its people with nuclear weapons is not the answer - and if you truly care for Palestinians, do think twice about the impact on them!

And thanks, Stevenlmeyer - indeed, Hitler's Jewish policy, pretty much as a nuclear bomb, did not distinguish between "good" and "bad" Jews, Zionists and others, German patriots, practicing Jews, atheists, Jews who converted to other religions and those who didn't even know they were of Jewish origin.

Zionism is the enemy of the Jews and Israel.Zionism is to Israel what Nazism was to Germany.

The Third Reich has now moved to the USA.Obama and Bush have stripped away the US Constitution with the Patriot Act, Preventative Denention, NDAA,legalised assassination and now control over the media.

Time to wake up Steven and smell the fascism.

For goodness sake Arjay, have a bex and a good lay down ... There's a good boy ...

France and Britain also have nuclear power. Old enmities are never forgotten, it seems.

You may recall that Britain did its testing on our soil and has paid no compensation to those whose family members have died, nor those who have become ill ... are let's not forget the territory which belongs to our indigenous people, who can't return.

I can't really believe this breathless article by NAJ Taylor...

Has he not done his research properly? What is his supervisor doing?

Investment in foreign, indeed enemy weaponry is hardly new.

Both WW I and WW II witnessed indirect investments by both sides in enemy weaponry.

And let's not forget pharmaceutical industries which were providing rather nasty substances for the war effort.

Indeed, a particular pharmaceutical company is a provider in Australia. Much of their earlier research was gleaned by experiments conducted by the Nazis.

LOL Danielle

The article is simply a skeleton on which the author hangs some Israel bashing - which is all he really wants to achieve.

The posters understand this. None of them have addressed the sovereign wealth fund issue.