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Preaching to the diverted : Comments

By Craig Thompson, published 4/4/2012

If God did not exist it might be necessary to invent him, or her.

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@ Johnno

Agnosticism is alive and...erm

Agnosticism is a knowledge position. This discussion is about belief or the lack thereof, which is a different matter. A person can believe with absolute certainty (gnostic theism) or believe with less than absolute certainty (agnostic theism).
I consider myself an agnostic atheist because I don't accept claims based on faith, but I can't be certain they aren't correct.
Atheist is easier to say and accurately describes my position regarding deities, so I tend to leave the agnostic bit out of the discussion because it can excite believers into thinking I am on the fence and that any slight breeze of evidence might hold sway in the 50/50 balancing act. This is not the case. It will take some pretty compelling evidence to get me to accept the faith claims of any religion, but I offer a level playing field to all comers. Show me compelling evidence for a claim and I will believe that claim.

Perhaps some day the religious meddling in my community will be insignificant, in which case the label atheist will no longer have utility for me and I will stop using it. Until that day, or until someone shows up with compelling evidence that their religion is on the money, atheist is apt.
Posted by Diver Matt, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 1:00:58 PM
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If the god deniers were to be half true you will find the vast majority of them Christophobic.They are intolerant of truth and righteouesness and want their own godless lives validated. Any fool knows that 'gay' marriage has nothing to do with equality. It is about destroying the natural family. Passing references will be made to Buddhism, new age, Islam and hinduism but their true hate is the One they deny. You can be sure the name of Christ will be mocked and His followers. No mention will be made of their forefathers such as Mao and Stalin. They will however insist that their perverted view of church history be shoved down the throats of others along with pseudo science. Many atheiest are far more bigotted than those they hate (usually truth tellers). They are happy to tolerate religion on their terms and remain totally Christophobic. They all hide behind pseudo science as their absolute even though it changes regularly and they claim not to believe in absolutes. How their Creator must laugh and cry at such foolishness.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 3:17:54 PM
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runner,

A veritable gallimaufry of vices in your post - intolerance, denial, hatred, mockery, perversion, destruction....

In my experience, Jesus Christ is rarely mocked - unlike some of his followers who seek to puff themselves up with false pride, hypocrisy and recourse to the constant and derogatory judgment of their fellow man.
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 3:49:45 PM
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@ Runner
I am not scared of your alleged deity, so the phobic label is not warranted.
Also, I can tolerate you like anything. You can believe what you like and it won't faze me in the slightest. You can repress yourself and anyone who volunteers to join in to any extent you see fit and I will not bat an eyelid, so little do I care what you believe or how it affects your life.
What I won't tolerate is you inflicting your allegedly divinely inspired ideas on people who do not ask to be part of your club. In short, I will not tolerate you being intolerant.
Get your own ideas sorted before telling other people they aren't tolerant or that they are filled with fear. You wouldn't want to be a thundering hypocrite, now, would you?
Posted by Diver Matt, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 4:29:49 PM
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Firstly, I'd just like to thank Poirot for 'gallimaufry'.

Secondly, Johnno, I think you will never really notice the agnostics as they really don't care.

Thirdly, runner, oh, just keep being you. You give me so much pleasure.

I would say I was atheist, but I'm not sure I care enough about the subject to be so strident. I reacted the same as Pericles to the byline.

As I have said before, I am much more interested in whether I really exist. In fact it bemuses me that so many have moved on to some higher power, when I am stuck with this more fundamental question.

I'm nothing if not a narcissist.

Matt,

'Show me compelling evidence'

Isn't that to miss the point of faith completely:-) Arf!

BTW: I do like diving, and with Diver's Dan and Matt, I feel I am missing some sort of masonic handshake type thing. Scuba that is. Muff too of course.
Posted by Houellebecq, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 5:15:15 PM
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Everyone knows it's where Doctor Who was born.

Poirot used it out of context.
Posted by WmTrevor, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 5:40:48 PM
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