Mr Gollan, no one appears to be with u on this one. The IR reforms are a draconian power grab by the elites. No amount of framing and spin will hide that fact.

Maracas, I have looked through the entire site of we the people and haven't found anything different to what is espoused by many. Sorry but I class union leaders, feminist leaders, senior beaurucrats and elite journalists as being a part of the problem. Reinventing Feminist goals, allowing freedom of entry to all refugees, not controlling religious expression outside the home and church, are just some of the problems that put us here in the first place. No specific policies that actually confront the problems, just feel good fluffy meaningless statements.

As to having an anarchistic viewpoint, very far from the truth. My statement “it may take the total demise of society to change anything to a better way. As the saying goes ..out of the ashes, new growth springs”, relates to historical evidence concerning the collapse of societies throughout history. Not for any self interest or ideology.

Unless there is some form of dramatic intervention, then history will repeat itself. The approach hasn't changed so we will repeat the former collapses, no matter what you or I want to think. The struggle we need to under go, should be worthy of the future, not the past.

IR, should be moving in other directions, which would enhance all involved. Bringing in more people to try to fill vacancies and shortages, will only exasperate the problem. IR, should be looking at the imbalance in society, and how to fix that. It also should be about protecting Australian jobs and improving job security by proper planning and industrial methods.

Currently its develop and damn the consequences. If you really look at the economics, you would find that the approach we are talking presently, actually brings down productivity, job satisfaction and increases long term costs. But all those that are in the upper middle income brackets don't want that, as it would take away some of their elitist power.

The wethepeople site is run by those upper middle class elite, so it is just more of the same. Unless you can point me to where it actually states, reasonable lateral policies.