Let's say we let NATO invade Syria and then let Israel attack Iran.Iran is no pushover.Even Zbigniew Brezezinski says it is insanity to attack Iran.They have a disclosed 150,000 missiles plus other military capacities with China and Russia backing them.If Julie Bishop thinks attacking Syria or Iran under the facade of freeing their people will bring peace,then this is folly of the highest order.

The price of oil will treble and our economies collapse.Is this what Julie Bishop wants to appease this insanity of Zionism?

We warned the US of an impending attack of Japan at Pearl Harbour which was ignored.Japan went to war because the West tried to restrict the supply of oil and their trade.Japan was too successful for the Western Oligarchs to tolerate their success.The Western Oligarchs (BMIC) wanted to control the planet as it does today.

Both China and Russia have now drawn a line in the sand.They know we are both industrially and morally weak.So choose,creativity or destruction.

Arjay,

Syria produces less than 1/2% of the world's oil, so a NATO led strike would hardly have much more effect than is happening now.

Secondly given that most of the population is trying to rise up against Assad, and the only thing keeping him in power is his army with heavy weapons, a concerted air and drone assault would swing the balance against him.

As for Iran, the article is not about Iran.

Shadow Minister.As I've stated before Syria is a close ally of Iran.It is their way of weakening Iran and getting rid of the Russian Naval Base.

Killarney thanks for the link on Zimbabwe on Global Research.Zimbabwe has $ trillions in Gold reserves and heaps of platinium.Last yr they produced $200 million of gold.China is now giving them money for development.You were right,the West is also destabalising Zimbabwe.

Note also Gaddafi was in the process of initiating a gold based currency to bring stability and wealth to Africa.Libya had 130 tonnes of gold and quite a bit of oil which Western oilcompanies now own.

Zibigniew Brezezinski said that there is now a "Global Political awakening." The internet now gives us access to the truth.No more wars,no more deceptions to initiate wars and give the people true democracy instead of this present de-mock-racy.

Thanks Arjay, your facility for over-simplification is always entertaining.

Perhaps none of us here have any real idea of how incredibly complicated and far-reaching the struggle in Syria may be, unless we happen to be Syrian. In addition to a secular-vs-theocratic contest (which fragments into local-Arabist ['democratic'] vs pan-Arabist ['Baathist'] vs religious contests, and nationalist vs Shi'ite [including pro-Iran] vs Sunni [including pro-Saudi, pro-al-Qaida]), there are all manner of external interests, each with perhaps little control over what is going on in the ground - Iran vs Saudi being the most prominent.

But Turkey, Israel and other Arab countries all have some stake in the outcome, and beyond them of course the US, the EU, Russia and China. And that's probably only what's on the surface. The bottom line is that it is not either-or, as in Arjay's simple universe.

So everything from tribal-local right up to the international scale. I hope that Ms Bishop is aware of these complexities.

Of course, it is intolerable that a semi-fascist dictatorship should be able to bombard its own cities and murder its own citizens. Ultimately, I suspect that there will be either a ragged and messy descent into a ghastly regional war, or a very delicately arranged international settlement.

Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall at that conference of Iran, Pakistan (?!) and Afghanistan ? Did they discuss Syria, and perhaps something about nuclear weapons ?

" .... going on, ON the ground .... " of course.

Loudmouth wrote:

>>Perhaps none of us here have any real idea of how incredibly complicated and far-reaching the struggle in Syria may be, unless we happen to be Syrian>>

I doubt if even most Syrians appreciate the complexities. They are mind-boggling.

>>Of course, it is intolerable that a semi-fascist dictatorship should be able to bombard its own cities and murder its own citizens.>>

True.

But if you help the Free Syrian Army (FSA) topple the regime how do you plan to stop them slaughtering the Alawites and Christians?

>>Ultimately, I suspect that there will be either a ragged and messy descent into a ghastly regional war, or a very delicately arranged international settlement.>>

My money is on the former - a dreadful civil war that spills over into Lebanon and also involves Saudi proxies fighting Iranian proxies.

>>But Turkey, Israel and other Arab countries all have some stake in the outcome,..>>

From the Israeli perspective peace, if it were attainable, would be the first prize. Since peace is unattainable chaos in the neighbouring Muslim world is a reasonable consolation prize. There is no denying that Israel benefits from a Syrian, and possibly Lebanese, descent into bloody civil war.

But that does NOT mean I suspect Israel of engineering the situation. Even if they wanted to I think engineering the sort of catastrophe that now seems inevitable would be beyond Israel's capabilities.

On the other hand, just as Iran and Syria have supported proxies such as Hizbollah to fight Israel so I would expect Israel to provide covert support to whichever side appeared to be losing with a view to keeping the conflict going for as long as possible. If your enemies are bent on self-destruction the sensible thing to do is to help them along.