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When magic becomes an acceptable concept in science : Comments

By Brian Holden, published 8/2/2012

That story of evolution is now familiar to all who accept that humans evolved.

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And here we see why religious or 'spiritual' types just shouldn't try and do science.

They use all the 'sciencey' talk, but they're like parrots randomly repeating phrases they've heard but don't understand.
Posted by Clownfish, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 2:46:07 PM
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Clownfish - but what is the nature of matter?

Have you throughly investigated "matter" yet?

Is it the solid dead stuff as defined by the Newtonian 19th century world view?
Such a solid world-view should have become obsolete when Einstein published his famous E=MC2 equation. The radical all the way down the line cultural implications of which have barely been understood.

Niels Bohr once remarked than anyone who is not shocked by (the cultural implications) of quantum theory has not understood it yet.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 3:02:13 PM
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Gotta love you creationist guys. Such a sense of humour!

>>Can the universe also think? Well you and I can and we are part of it or Einstein's universal energy field!<<

Impeccable logic. My left buttock applauds.

It, too, is part of "Einstein's universal energy field", and you, Rhrosty, are the very first person to ascribe to it its rightful quotient of cognitive ability. It thanks you, from the bottom of its... er, bottom.

>>...[evolution] is roughly equivalent to a whirlwind whipping through a junk-yard and creating a fully functional and flyable 747<<

"Roughly equivalent to", in this construction, means "absolutely and completely nothing like".

Unless, of course, by "whirlwind" you mean "the inexorable process of natural selection over billions of years", "junk-yard" is the planet earth and by "flyable 747" you mean "the multiplicity of life forms that currently exist here".

There. That's better.

>>Currently, evolution is part of conventional wisdom, but then not all that long ago, so was a flat earth at the centre of the universe.<<

Errrm... you missed a bit. The part that say not all that long ago, conventional wisdom was that the world was formed over a six day period by a grey-bearded old gentleman in the sky. I know this, because I have seen the pictures.

http://1.1.1.5/bmi/conservation.catholic.org/God-creating-creatures-by-R.jpg

>>...not all single celled organisms appeared to evolve or adapt; given, there seems to be some holdouts, who stubbornly refuse to participate?<<

Not all humans have evolved either. Some stubbornly refuse to believe that we know much more today about our world and our universe, than we did two thousand years ago.

But hey, they're happy.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 3:27:09 PM
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Daffy Duck, that is not at all what Bohr said. Stop putting your own tendentious words in his mouth.

What you have yet to make clear is whether Einstein or Heisenberg, or Feynman, or Gell-Mann or Weinberg have said anything that justifies the pseudo-scientific flatulency mumbled by the mysticism crowd.

Please, go ahead.
Posted by Clownfish, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 5:25:12 PM
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it is worth noting just this minour evolution
involves many [lol]..mutations..sequential

but..lets break
this tiny step..down

""The larynx..of the hominids changed shape:""

and is shaped differently..according to sex
but heck..name what 'evolved',,into what
REPLICATE..!

""the feedback..this time between brain
and larynx..""

involves many nerve connections
[please reveal mechanism
REPLICATE/mate

""when we have..the intention to speak,
there are already minute..movements in the larynx.""

yes ammasing
[not many evolutionists..will know to what your refer"
hint...pre-egsistant thought..*[before
even the question is phrased..'in mind'..

seems we get answerrs before asking the question
please eplain how come...if its all brain...lol

""This reshaping..allowed for
the great range of subtle sounds,..without which language would not be possible.""

these can be origonal or copied
but how come we ';evolved'..far beyond the ape
what sorting process...can make sense..of any new language
before*..it even begins evolving an evolutionary advantage

/heck explain
the how of the steps[small mutations]..5000 away from ape ancestor"

""With language,..human brain power
jumped to another level//[
BY WHAT MINOUR EVOLUTIONARY "STEP"

""so profoundly unfamiliar
that most biologists..backed-off from any further theorising""

and thus was the evolving delusion fed to the ignorant masses
who by believing the lie...join the clever crowd

heck experts often get it completly wrong
but per revieuw..locks in the error

blame the peer revieuw...[old ignorants..who missed the blooming obvious...judging them that mearly saw the bleeding obvious

if you claim science
but cant explain egsactly what your science does
let alone replicate..your claim..or declare faulsifyables

heck..too many times they fail to explain
or even nanme a completly valified 'evolution'..into new genus

its all theo*-ry
adult fairy tales...

that..groan-up kids..cant see
is clearly faulse
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 5:37:00 PM
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Daffy, by comparison Bohr is boring – at least Schrödinger didn't hide the fact he hated animals – well felines at least. If you're concerned about the cultural implications think of it this way: apparently there's a cat in a box playing with his balls of vibrating strings… or not. But it doesn't matter because it's going to be dead already.

Quantum theory is fairly straightforward. Just accept that it works every time your GPS does. On the other hand, quantum gravity is pretty heavy – however and simultaneously on the other hand it isn't unless you're observing it, in which case it wasn't.

I hope this helps.

For those who are interested the assigned home work is to explain life. (Pericles and Clownfish are excused for inter-house games)

Here are some key words and numbers for your starting points – chemiosmosis, proton gradients, 30,000,000 V per metre over a distance of 5 nm.
Posted by WmTrevor, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 7:02:02 PM
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