I'm not entirely sure what this gibberish is actually getting at, but I am forcibly reminded of Murray Gell-Mann's phrase 'quantum flapdoodle': 'stringing together a series of terms and phrases from quantum physics and asserting that they explain something in our daily experience'

This is a very interesting way of putting the question of how the human mind works in relation to memory.

One brain researcher, after 30 years of work, came to the conclusion that there is no memory centre in the brain. He also pointed out that the brain did not function like a computer, in producing its output, and no computer could be built using current or foreseeable technology, to match the performance of the human brain.

Brian, if I understand him correctly, sees the brain as being so vast in its structure as to encompass the memory process, but like the brain researcher, he cannot come up with any concept of how it works.

It does seem possible that there is another intervening factor, for which our brain is the receiving centre. Our memories and the programmes which format them may be “off site”. A lot of our discoveries and answers come to us complete, in the form of dreams, when our conscious mind is “switched off”.

There are numerous postulations peripheral to this. Jung, for instance, said that there are archetypes which govern the form in which we are able to think. While there is a vast number of archetypes, he believed that it was a finite number, and any thought was limited to the form of an archetype. Within that form, the mind of the recipient provides the detail.

The archetype is comparable to a blank key, which is cut to the requirements of the recipient, to provide the access sought.

Whether they come in our DNA, or from an outside communication, or in some other manner is an ongoing mystery

Thanks, Brian, for a stimulating article.

The sort of dualism you're postulating brings up so many problems that it's generally not worth bothering about. Jung said a lot of things, many of them nonsense ;)

Thanks, Holden. Quite comprehensible to me.
Try thinking of Time as a product rather than a Dimension...if you want a headache.

Hi Brian, there is no problem in identifying or even proving the existence of Quantum physics as it relates to shared energy fields and consciousness or that humanity is a major component of the ground state of the physical universe. Why not, we humans are made of the same particulate matter as the rest of the universe.

The problem you have is firstly identifying any manifestation of such phenomena, good luck with that. Secondly, you will need to conduct some, dare I say it, “scientific tests”, you know, like hypothesis, test, validate and repeat.

Your article presents a very significant example of socialization of the sciences.

The process of socializing science adopts a strategy of “narrative theory” which treats science, philosophy, literature etc., as simply a different mode of story telling and therefore opened science up by rhetoric to “interpretation” or the creation of objective truth.

The process you adopt is the basis for the “Socialization of Science” or “pseudo science” rather than “process driven robust science”. In effect this whole process, like the AGW phenomenon, is best described as being driven by “forecasts by scientists” rather than “scientific forecasts”.

This philosophy undermines itself. If scientific discourse has nothing to do with reality then why does streptomycin cure TB and not magic?

For a well educated person I suspect your preponderance for mixing science and magic might steer you to a whole raft of unsound conclusions

Everything in the known universe, including every life form extant on this planet, is one form of energy or another; even dark energy? As you and I think, energy is transferred from one brain synapse to another.
Can the universe also think? Well you and I can and we are part of it or Einstein's universal energy field!
Can the universe perform magic? Surely a self creating impossibly vast universe and life that creates itself, has to be some sort of magic?
Even evolution has the appearance of a great feat of magic; given, it is roughly equivalent to a whirlwind whipping through a junk-yard and creating a fully functional and flyable 747 in scope and context? Moreover, not all single celled organisms appeared to evolve or adapt; given, there seems to be some holdouts, who stubbornly refuse to participate?
Currently, evolution is part of conventional wisdom, but then not all that long ago, so was a flat earth at the centre of the universe.
I very much liked the article, which I found very interesting and thought provoking, even if it failed to reach a conclusion; but rather, raise even more questions!

And here we see why religious or 'spiritual' types just shouldn't try and do science.

They use all the 'sciencey' talk, but they're like parrots randomly repeating phrases they've heard but don't understand.

Clownfish - but what is the nature of matter?

Have you throughly investigated "matter" yet?

Is it the solid dead stuff as defined by the Newtonian 19th century world view?
Such a solid world-view should have become obsolete when Einstein published his famous E=MC2 equation. The radical all the way down the line cultural implications of which have barely been understood.

Niels Bohr once remarked than anyone who is not shocked by (the cultural implications) of quantum theory has not understood it yet.

Gotta love you creationist guys. Such a sense of humour!

>>Can the universe also think? Well you and I can and we are part of it or Einstein's universal energy field!<<

Impeccable logic. My left buttock applauds.

It, too, is part of "Einstein's universal energy field", and you, Rhrosty, are the very first person to ascribe to it its rightful quotient of cognitive ability. It thanks you, from the bottom of its... er, bottom.

>>...[evolution] is roughly equivalent to a whirlwind whipping through a junk-yard and creating a fully functional and flyable 747<<

"Roughly equivalent to", in this construction, means "absolutely and completely nothing like".

Unless, of course, by "whirlwind" you mean "the inexorable process of natural selection over billions of years", "junk-yard" is the planet earth and by "flyable 747" you mean "the multiplicity of life forms that currently exist here".

There. That's better.

>>Currently, evolution is part of conventional wisdom, but then not all that long ago, so was a flat earth at the centre of the universe.<<

Errrm... you missed a bit. The part that say not all that long ago, conventional wisdom was that the world was formed over a six day period by a grey-bearded old gentleman in the sky. I know this, because I have seen the pictures.

http://1.1.1.5/bmi/conservation.catholic.org/God-creating-creatures-by-R.jpg

>>...not all single celled organisms appeared to evolve or adapt; given, there seems to be some holdouts, who stubbornly refuse to participate?<<

Not all humans have evolved either. Some stubbornly refuse to believe that we know much more today about our world and our universe, than we did two thousand years ago.

But hey, they're happy.

Daffy Duck, that is not at all what Bohr said. Stop putting your own tendentious words in his mouth.

What you have yet to make clear is whether Einstein or Heisenberg, or Feynman, or Gell-Mann or Weinberg have said anything that justifies the pseudo-scientific flatulency mumbled by the mysticism crowd.

Please, go ahead.

it is worth noting just this minour evolution
involves many [lol]..mutations..sequential

but..lets break
this tiny step..down

""The larynx..of the hominids changed shape:""

and is shaped differently..according to sex
but heck..name what 'evolved',,into what
REPLICATE..!

""the feedback..this time between brain
and larynx..""

involves many nerve connections
[please reveal mechanism
REPLICATE/mate

""when we have..the intention to speak,
there are already minute..movements in the larynx.""

yes ammasing
[not many evolutionists..will know to what your refer"
hint...pre-egsistant thought..*[before
even the question is phrased..'in mind'..

seems we get answerrs before asking the question
please eplain how come...if its all brain...lol

""This reshaping..allowed for
the great range of subtle sounds,..without which language would not be possible.""

these can be origonal or copied
but how come we ';evolved'..far beyond the ape
what sorting process...can make sense..of any new language
before*..it even begins evolving an evolutionary advantage

/heck explain
the how of the steps[small mutations]..5000 away from ape ancestor"

""With language,..human brain power
jumped to another level//[
BY WHAT MINOUR EVOLUTIONARY "STEP"

""so profoundly unfamiliar
that most biologists..backed-off from any further theorising""

and thus was the evolving delusion fed to the ignorant masses
who by believing the lie...join the clever crowd

heck experts often get it completly wrong
but per revieuw..locks in the error

blame the peer revieuw...[old ignorants..who missed the blooming obvious...judging them that mearly saw the bleeding obvious

if you claim science
but cant explain egsactly what your science does
let alone replicate..your claim..or declare faulsifyables

heck..too many times they fail to explain
or even nanme a completly valified 'evolution'..into new genus

its all theo*-ry
adult fairy tales...

that..groan-up kids..cant see
is clearly faulse

Daffy, by comparison Bohr is boring – at least Schrödinger didn't hide the fact he hated animals – well felines at least. If you're concerned about the cultural implications think of it this way: apparently there's a cat in a box playing with his balls of vibrating strings… or not. But it doesn't matter because it's going to be dead already.

Quantum theory is fairly straightforward. Just accept that it works every time your GPS does. On the other hand, quantum gravity is pretty heavy – however and simultaneously on the other hand it isn't unless you're observing it, in which case it wasn't.

I hope this helps.

For those who are interested the assigned home work is to explain life. (Pericles and Clownfish are excused for inter-house games)

Here are some key words and numbers for your starting points – chemiosmosis, proton gradients, 30,000,000 V per metre over a distance of 5 nm.

HmmH, Evolutionists ! Aren't they part of the crowd which screams & yells at climate change ?
Isn't climate change part of evolution ? What exactly is their stance on it all ?
Ah, perhaps a carbon tax might somehow stop evolution but at the same time (?) promotes evolution (?) over creation. And creationists ? Is climate change which wiped out so many species including millions of humans over time a part of God's benevolence ? Is God not satisfied with his/her creation ?
Maybe God will be happier if he/she gets a cut of the carbon Tax.
Gee am I glad I'm so ignorant, after all ignorance is bliss. But hey, why are the academics such a miserable bunch then ?

This is a spurious argument which comes up over and over again in religious apologetics, amongst other places:

1. We don't understand everything about cognitive functioning.
2. We don't understand everything about quantum physics.
3. Therefore, cognitive functioning is quantum physics!

Simply substitute 'God' or 'homeopathy' or whatever other quackery you want to support for 'cognitive functioning'.

It's amazing how much mileage you can get out of ignorance if you just leverage it properly.

""understanding..how they work and evolve
is important..because it helps us to understand how animals evolve.

We have developed..a new model..system
for the study of the evolution of forms.""

[i hate having to search back to find quotes]
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/10/061027184123.htm
only to find others

"We have written the dictionary.

Now we know what the words are
but we still have to construct the sentences."

the one im searching for...says..[words to the affect]
'if your not amased...you havnt tried to find out..the real truth''

i know i passionatly seek to know the science
of how god dun it..[cauise science cant make claim they did]

the thing is if your not willing to learn the nomoculture[language/meaning]..ie get educated
you get fooled

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8905322/Speed-of-light-experiment-was-wrong-after-all.html

im reminded of ensteins E=mc2

energy..*equals..!
mass...[lol]..times the speed
of light/times the speed of light
[ie energy is a really big number..weight times time accross a distance]

so you get what..?..miles per galloon?
inches of pounds?....3 quark larks accross?

if you think ya can formulate life
your missing its reason-ing

your hear..[here]
cause you aint got enough trust/knowing
to 'be' there

present one proof of species evolving into new genus
present the mendelic inheritors chart's

heck make one evolve
no new genus has been eviolved by anyone

either by accident [nature]
nor de-sign..[science]