Cherful, thank you as well. It's easy to lose sight of the common ground that we all share.

Cherful, thanks also from me for the grace of that post.

R0bert

Cherful,

Well I don't mind standing beside Anti and RObert and congratulating you on your last post...very well said.

Never trust a feminist. They will say one thing, and then say the opposite.

After saying

"Now seriously, men have made a right stuff up of running the world so far. "

The supporter of feminism then goes on to say.

"So thank you to all the lovely men out there."

Their duplicity is like a woman wearing some provacative outfit.

"Look at me, I'm sexy"

Followed by "Don't look at me you sexist male pig"

vanna, vanna, vanna where did we go wrong with you?

A very sad response on your part to a great post by Cherful.
As I and others have pointed out before your extremism is no better or more realistic than that of the worst of the feminist extremists.
Rather than accept common ground and better understanding on points of difference you embrace the extreme and conflict.

R0bert

I find these gender based discussions quite distasteful of late - too much misogyny dressed up as masculism. Some men and women determined to see the world from their own narrow POV. I can't see much difference between the rad fems or the rad masculinists. Both are harmful to the goal of a more cohesive and fairer society that I have stopped posting on these sorts of threads.

As a woman stuck between the madness of some of the more radical feminists who make rules about who can and cannot call themselves a feminist and what exactly does it all mean, to men whose hatred of women, which goes much further than a 'cause', simply drips off the screen.

However, I can't resist commenting in this thread and add my applause to Cherful's wise observations and comments on this topic.