I'm fascinated that cherful subscribes to a biologically-deterministic view. Feminism has traditionally decried such a view, preferring a social-constructionalist perspective.

Vanna
<So if a woman talks to a man, the man wants to grab and grope her.
It is incredible how the male gender is portrayed in our feminist corrupted society.>

Vanna, I didn't say this was happening everywhere all the time, I was merely giving an example of how the different biological imperatives of the male and female(blame nature for that)can lead to these kinds of misunderstandings.

Didn't you say that the way women dress sends an I want sex message to men. Are you now saying it doesn't? Well then, it nullifies your argument.

Antiseptic
<I'm fascinated that cherful subscribes to a biologically-deterministic view. Feminism has traditionally decried such a view, preferring a social-constructionalist perspective.>

This is true Antiseptic and I have always disagreed with the feminist movement in this thinking.
I am a strong believer that the human species is as biologically programmed as any other animal on earth.

This doesn't mean we should not try to rein these instincts in enough to have a reasonably safe lawabiding community. Nevertheless, the basic intinct is a strong motivator in our desires and the things we want, even if we have to obtain them in a more considerate, genteel way to hold the fabric of any society together.

Cherful,
No, what I am saying is that most of the clothes worn by the modern woman are actually designed to sexually attract or sexually tease men.

That is fact, but we also have this underlying feminist type portrayal of men as being only interested in sex.

Have a look at the male authors writing articles in OLO, and their range of subjects is considerable, and I think that the portrayal of men as only interested in sex is a normal feminist error (ie. they never get anything right).

But the modern woman does seem to be rather confused and muddled. She is being driven by nature to have babies and reproduce, but her psyche is also being formed by feminism, and to a large extent by women’s magazines, women’s social media and women’s social groups.

I don’t think there is much hope for the modern woman in such circumstances, and the best that men can do, is to keep women alive until they show improvement at some time in the future

Vanna
< don’t think there is much hope for the modern woman in such circumstances, and the best that men can do, is to keep women alive until they show improvement at some time in the future>

I had a good laugh over that bit vanna.

Now seriously, men have made a right stuff up of running the world so far.

You are as guilty of not understanding the female brain because you say that women dress sexily but you don't understand that the female doesn't dress sexily because she wants to jump straight into bed without having any idea of what the men who are loopy on testosterone are like as people. That's why she wants to attract men but first she wants to talk and get to know them a bit. Men are turned on visually, but women are turned on by what they hear. This is a safety delay in their sexual programming that nature has given them for a reason. After all until very recently and still mostly around the world a woman who has sex recklessly could end up holding the baby literally for 20years or die in childbirth as many still do in third world countries.

You might as well blame the flowers for attracting the bees, female biology is just as hardwired as male biology

In defence of the men, (I must be in a good mood),I think the pendulum has swung too far and I think the advertisements that constantly portray men as doing stupid things are out of line.

It was a wonderful sight to see the men swing into action after cyclone Yasi last year. They dominated the streets everywhere. They were constantly flying past in all sorts of heavy machinery clearing the streets of big trees and doing everything necessary to get the community up and running again.
My own husband tied down as much as he could and he sat up all night
in case the ropes holding the house broke loose.

I thought at the time, this is where men really show their capabilities and the great strength and protection they give their women and families in ensuring the community is patroled and protected. It really felt good every time they flew past my house in a big tractor or something. I remember thinking thank god for the men at a time like this. I thought they looked like big brawny angels, they looked as happy as could be as they flew past like they were born to be in control of these type of situations.
Also I will add this. They are capable of producing great beauty too. as they have done with writings and works of art, inventions etc.Their is much beauty in their souls. So thank you to all the lovely men out there.