You can never trust a feminist.

They may speak with a F tongue.

Thank you to all the sad men on this commentary section. You have overwhelmingly proved every single one of the author's points, and then some.

Question for Graham Young. Why do you continue to allow these tired old bigots with obvious mummy problems to lock up these gender threads with their warped views on both men and women, corrupting any idea or argument that might even remotely turn into a worthwhile discussion?

This once-great forum has been in decline for some time now, and you just have to look at the comments above to see one of the main reasons why. On these gender threads at least, all the reasonable, thinking minds have gone elsewhere.

@ Killarney

Typical, can't offer anything in support of the article, so attach those making comments, minimise their rights to express a view and run away to somewhere where perhaps everyone agrees with you?

The bigger question for Graham Young is why post something as poorly written and of such dubious quality, written in response to extreme views posted on obscure web site in the first place? Perhaps something a little more scholarly that could provoke a decent discussion.

Dear Killarney,

Your post does nothing to address the questions put to Ms Murphy. Your post is typical of the personal vitriol that passes for debate amongst feminists.

One page 1 I put these points to Ms Murphy in a civilized manner:

"I wonder if Murphy would like to tackle women's implicit role in perpetuating the porn industry? The usual argument, which Murphy insinuates in her article, is that men have somehow deviously manipulated women into doing porn beyond their will. According to feminists only men can be responsible for their actions, and women are just dumb, passive creatures easily manipulated.
This same (tired) argument can be reversed: men were manipulated beyond their volition by the sexual allurement of women, and were objectified by women in order for them to be paid large sums of money.
Also, I wonder if the feminists would confront the issue of wage inequality in the porn industry. The actresses are paid more than double the actors, are they not?"

I have put these questions to feminists before, particularly Ms Tankard Reist, and never got a reply. Not one that actually addresses the points I make anyway. Usually spiteful personal remarks is what passes for debate with feminists.

Lost in the noise Aristocrat.

I also asked 'women never liked men dictating their sexuality, why should men now allow feminist women to dictate to men their sexuality. '

and,

'I think porn has been around for a long time.'

Hey Suze, tell me about the days when there was no such thing as porn? What year was that? Actually it probably all started when women started to cover themselves.

'Typical, can't offer anything in support of the article, so attack those making comments, minimise their rights to express a view and run away to somewhere where perhaps everyone agrees with you? '

Sounds about right for Killarney.

PS: Can anyone answer why so many Feminist aritcles are all about men? Perhaps it's some Daddy fixation...

Aristocrat 'Your post is typical of the personal vitriol that passes for debate amongst feminists.

Thank you so much for that, Mr Pot-Kettle. Such righteousness has indeed blinded you to the fact that these OLO gender threads are all drowning in their own vitriol - against women in general and feminists in particular.

If you actually think you are addressing the article here, you are deluding yourself. Indeed, you are actually proving it right. The author's central argument is that '... what many people do when presented with a critique of systematic oppression [is to] remove all context and make it ALL about them, as individuals who exist inside social bubbles, far removed from the influence of society and culture and governments and media'.

This is EXACTLY what you and at least 90% of the comments here have done. I note also, that these comments are coming from a tiny handful of MEN (and at times, a token woman) who make the same comments over and over and over in EVERY OLO gender thread, regardless of the subject matter of the article they are responding to.

And, BTW, I'd go easy on expecting a personal reply from Melinda Tankard Reist and any other feminists to whom you've thrown this concern curveball about pay inequality in the porn industry. You are just inviting their complete and utter contempt and will no doubt egg them on to write even more male un-friendly articles in the future. (I hope...)