So-called amateur porn is used in the same way as the gay porn argument is used: ie to make porn sound ever so friendly and soft and okay.

But there are other questions that need to be asked: whose idea is it to make the porn? what are the power relations in this relationship? why the need then to make it public and put it on the internet? how does this gel with the thrill people get from watching porn or being watched? and what are the social pressures?

This is not the simple black white issue you make it out to be Houellebecq.

'Once again this also ties into the issue of the gay men being portrayed as wanting to make themselves submissive to the heterosexual male to pleasure and worship him.'

I must admit I find this all very intriguing. I always imagined Gay porn was all about converting 'confused' guys rather than worshipping supposedly 'hetero' men. You DO learn something every day.

'This example shows how the porn lobby is trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes; the truth is you cannot have exploitation in the name of liberalism.'

What about the fantasy of exploitation as an expression of guilt-free lack of control. I know you want it!:-)

'It is not a fair argument to argue the right to seek sexual gratification through taking advantage of and coercing those who are financially desperate, this is something which robs another a person of their human rights and dignity.'

What about seeking sexual fulfillment through transferring responsibility for a sexual act onto another so as you can indulge in it without guilt about an outdated but internalised morality or social taboo. Does that fantasy rob the 'exploiter' of their human rights to dignity? Two people are engaged in the same fantasy, and the one who enjoys the submissive route is victim-worshipped and pure, and the one who takes the dominating route is ostracised and evil?

I think it's a bit warped to conflate the age old dom/sub themes with men/women or assertive/submissive gays, which are enjoyable psychological tools to counter moral constraints, with actual exploitation

'whose idea is it to make the porn?'

Well no doubt to a victim feminist it would obviously be the guy. And even if the woman got a thrill, it would be through being conditioned in this misogynist patriarchical society. Even if she really got off on it, it would be a mirage, an expression of male sexuality, selling her short of the more pure and loving and intimite, and more human female sexuality.

'what are the power relations in this relationship?'

One can only imagine a downtrodden helpless woman, trying to please the brutish male and his dirty ego, with the only tool she has available, at the expense of her soul.

'why the need then to make it public and put it on the internet?'

To satisfy the ego of the cruel and domineering male, whose inate misogyny is expressed by his sense of pride at having humiliated and 'owned' the body of his partner by parading it for other filthy males.

'how does this gel with the thrill people get from watching porn or being watched?'

The thrill is an extension of this male dominated society, where the magic of intimate womanly love has been overturned by the sick male notion of sex as bodily fucntion to be explicitly and gratuitously paraded in front of others. Sex ripped of warmth and true intimacy by souless males.

I think it's all very black and white.

just an industry cashing in on people hopelessly enslaved to their lusts and putting children at risk.

What is the matter with gay men have they taken leave of their senses? They want to regulate Internet gay porn? I would like to know how many gay actors Mr Holloway knows that have been pressed into the porn industry? The gay community do not need a nanny government to save them from the porn industry and it is an insult to gay men to assume that are so immature that they can not handle their lives on their own. The gay movement has fought long and hard for the rights that they have achieved they don't need to be sent back to the middle ages and regulated by those who claim to know what is best for them.

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