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Waving not threatening : Comments

By Gary Brown, published 5/1/2012

How concerned should we be about Iranian threats to block the Strait of Hormuz?

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A bit more history required.

http://www.corbettreport.com/war-with-iran-history-and-consequences/
Posted by MEH, Thursday, 5 January 2012 10:19:34 AM
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Good article.

Indicates that Iran's nuclear weapon's program enjoys long term Iranian nationalist support - longer than US or Israeli Presidential and PM terms. There is a possibility that if Obama is sufficiently low in the pre-election Presidential polls he will permit airstrikes on Iran to rally the excitable US voters around the President (by election time in Nov 2012).

Iran's nuclear program may go as far back as the Shah. This early beginning was during the Nixon Presidency when Dicky's destructive helpers, (the same) Rumsfeld and Cheney, actually supported the prospect of a nuclear armed Shahian Iran as a force for stability (almost US-Israeli style) in the Middle East.

A major issue is the extent of a US/Israeli airstrike. Just against what are artificially termed as "nuclear facilities"? Or against the much broader categories of industries, factories, command and control HQs and research bodies that go into a nuclear weapon AND missile program ie perhaps half of Iran's high tech industries.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 5 January 2012 12:14:46 PM
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Over the next two decades we need to be afraid... Iran has spent years investing in managing their population, so they have stopped the cause of the poverty.

For over a decade, PR campaigns and inmans in their mosques, along with free contraception, have all both worked to reduce the number of babies, so that they have zero population growth... average fertility is a bit over two babies for every two adults.

They are beginning to enjoy the demographic dividend... few dependant oldies, and few expensive kiddies. Like Thailand (who has done the same thing), Iran has a great future!

Meanwhile we have have a future of collapse (along with Europe, with a mere 1.2 children for every two adults) we are getting older and more feeble. We have failed to produce enough children to reproduce ourselves- we are quite literally a dying culture and a dying race.

Too many children, or too few, create a disaster!

While we make 1.8 children for every two adults Many countries, especially in moslem north Africa are making 8 children per woman! No wonder they are poor! I can't afford my four kids, and my government can't afford schools and roads for our nations few babies... imagine how even our wealthy country would manage if the population quadroupled every 25 year! Forget it!

(look up 'total fertility rate')
Posted by partTimeParent, Thursday, 5 January 2012 6:15:24 PM
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The trouble with defence advisors is that they are defence advisors.

Every human activity is measured in terms of predator or prey. Every country is either a potential threat or a potential ally against a potential threat. Populations only exist in terms of their leaders' power struggles. Countries only exist in terms of their geo-political importance.

On all counts, Iran and its people are on the wrong side of international politics and must be made to conform. Some excuse can always be found or, more likely, invented in order to achieve this. That's why we have defence advisors.
Posted by Killarney, Friday, 6 January 2012 6:36:45 AM
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lol

""the present administration
appears to be much smarter and would, I'm sure,
mount a far more judicious response to serious Iranian provocation.""

the provacation is via israel/usa
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2012/01/2012-iran-and-israeli-poodles.html

imagine if iran did..what us is doing
or israel who dont sign nuthin
it is..an act of war

deliberated provocation
to get other worse finantial news off line
[nuthin like a war..to fix it all..just like last time]

first get a reasoning
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2012/01/candid-interview-about-911-by-dr-alan-sabrosky/

and now we got the xtian [zionist]..endtimers

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=17197
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owqWgD0M8Po
wanting to bring on armogeddon..[set satan free from his pit]

The US Government is re-playing the Pearl Harbor deception,
in which they kept bringing economic pressures to bear on Japan until Japan had no choice but to attack,

then pretended Japan's reaction to US provocations
was a total surprise and wholly unjustified.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/McCollum/index.html

This allowed Roosevelt to trick the American people into WW2.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/03/britain-ramoing-sanctions-against-iran-washington

Today we are seeing the same thing with the US bringing economic pressures to bear on Iran, hoping Iran will strike back,

thereby allowing the US to play the innocent victim of an Iranian "surprise" attack and trick Americans into a massive escalation of WW3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01L7dDntDbA

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=17179&title=us--israel-vs-iran----2012-will-be-hardcore

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/us-and-israel-march-in-lockstep-towards-expansion-of-military-detention.html
http://www.presstv.com/detail/219346.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h9QAdqtmzipvj1ll0bR9sxr0t9vQ?docId=CNG.b0a6fcaaa2ae21256ecdf2145aab0367.21

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-04/u-s-defense-strategy-plan-focuses-on-thwarting-china-iran.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8986379/Europe-cannot-save-the-euro-nor-save-itself-from-the-euro.html
http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2012/01/counsel-of-foreign-affairs-has.html
http://www.bushstole04.com/monetarysystem/34_shocking_truths.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f85mSQKq6w&feature=related
Posted by one under god, Friday, 6 January 2012 8:50:00 AM
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I think the comment about "defence advisors" had relevance, comparitive national fertility maybe but definitely not mass listing of blog links.

The Iranian bomb clock is ticking hence all stakhanovite efforts towards relevance may save millions.

Loose comments sink ships.

Your mate

Poida
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 6 January 2012 4:16:12 PM
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As long as the peaceful democratic free world forces of the world, the US, Israel, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia limit their actions to economic sanctions designed to destroy Iran's economy, covert assassination and sabotage programs, violating Iran's air space with drones, only threaten massive attacks and not shoot down any more Iranian airliners, Iran will not attack the 5th Fleet that fills the Persian Gulf nor the dozens of military bases that surround it. Once the the peaceful governments start treating Iran as they did Lebanon, Gaza, Palestine, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, or Iraq, then the Gulf of Hormuz will be closed temporarily for less than a year. Afterwards every tanker will have a full air and sea escort to prevent the naval equivalent of IEDs, remember the Cole.
Posted by 124c4u, Monday, 9 January 2012 8:45:54 AM
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"The President..does not have power under the Constitution
to unilaterally authorize a military attack..in a situation
that does not involve stopping..an actual or imminent threat to the nation." --Sen. Barack Obama,..12/20/2007.

weasal words
remeber the cole is relitive..relivant

Strategies are unchanged.
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2012/01/iran-crisis-something-fishy.html
http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/prepping-american-school-children-to-commit-war-crimes-and-suicide/

So are imperial aims..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k9IlR3-_-A&feature=player_embedded

Permanent war remains policy.
http://12160.info/xn/detail/2649739:BlogPost:742740

http://www.islamist.com/index.php/revolution/1351-chosen-us-senator-passes-bill-to-remove-citizenship-of-those-opposed-to-zionist-rule-in-us

Merciless high-tech killing and destruction will be featured. Ravaging the world one country at a time is planned.
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28527

So is expanding the Bush Doctrine.
Preemptive global wars define it...an act of war...[isolation]

is the threat..first utterd
usa attacked iran..first..and many fold

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon..Panetta let slip..on Sunday
the big open secret..that Washington war hawks don’t want widely known:

Iran is not developing nuclear weapons
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/09/panetta-admits-iran-not-developing-nukes/

but iran is mature...
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2012/01/anonymous-stratfor-hack-outs.html

older than the warmongering usa child
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/04-0

[who's sybol is a woman..[nanny]..who is really man
[stauted liberty indeed]
http://www.redress.cc/americas/ahart20120110

I need a war and any old war will do!" -- Number 9 3/4
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9000796/David-Cameron-we-will-not-negotiate-over-the-Falklands.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jan/07/blair-inc-rise-earnings

who next?
http://www.bobtuskin.com/2012/01/09/mossad-seeks-chinese-speakers/
to try to bribe china..to stay out of it
or facilitate it
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/23/breaking-patriot-missiles-seized-sold-to-china-by-israel/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=breaking-patriot-missiles-seized-sold-to-china-by-israel
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 8:27:00 AM
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