runner,

Secular humanists did not invent abortion nor are secular humanists the main supporters of abortion. The practice of abortion, the termination of a pregnancy so that it does not result in birth, dates back to ancient times. Pregnancies were terminated through a number of methods, including the administration of abortifacient herbs, the use of sharpened implements, the application of abdominal pressure, and other techniques.

Abortion laws and their enforcement have fluctuated through various eras. In many western nations during the 20th century various women's rights groups, doctors, and social reformers successfully worked to have abortion bans repealed. While abortion remains legal in most of the West, this legality is regularly challenged by pro-life groups.
The first recorded evidence of induced abortion, is from the Egyptian Ebers Papyrus in 1550 BCE. A Chinese record documents the number of royal concubines who had abortions in China between the years 515 and 500 BCE.[4] According to Chinese folklore, the legendary Emperor Shennong prescribed the use of mercury to induce abortions nearly 5000 years ago.[5] Many of the methods employed in early and primitive cultures were non-surgical.

To blame abortion on secular humanists is a bit rich. You blamed secular humanists for atrocities. You made a wild and untrue charge.

However, prevention is better than cure. We have too many abortions. We could provide all girls with birth control pills and give them instructions on how to use them. That would cut down on the number of abortions. That’s possibly too sensible for you.

Trav,

I gave you a reference for the violence in converting Europe to Christianity. Christianity has a horrible record with the Inquisition, Wars of the Reformation, German churches support for Hitler etc. Yet you want more. You sound like the Marxists who ignore all the corpses made by various Marxist entities and still believe in the nonsense. With a virgin having a baby, a humanoid figure taking on other sins, life after death and other ridiculous beliefs Christianity is a compendium of nonsense.

david f

seen secular humanist are so big a champions of democracy I take it you agree it was very wrong for the will of the people to be overturned in California when they said no to gay marraige.

Dear runner,

Democracy is more than majority rule. At one time in Germany most of the people supported Hitler. That did not make Nazi Germany a democracy.

Democracy also contains the idea that the rights of a minority must be protected. When the United States was founded black people were slaves, women could not vote and the franchise was restricted to men of wealthy. Women and black people now have full civil rights, and there is universal suffrage. Homosexuality has been a crime as has interracial marriage. Now people are free to marry regardless of race, and civil rights are being extended to homosexuals.

In the Declaration of Independence Jefferson wrote of 'inalienable rights.' Human beings are entitled to these rights regardless of the wishes of a majority. If a majority of Germans had voted for genocide that would have been the will of the people. That would not have been democracy.

Davidf

You had peviously quoted a A Secular Humanist Declaration which included

''free, and democratic societies.”

It is somewhat vile to compare those who oppose 'gay marriage'with the Nazis however when your hypocrisies are exposed it is a common trait among secularist.

The fact is that fundamentalist secularist only agree to champion democracy when their dogmas are supported as is shown by the example I have used. You are actually bound by your dogmas as much as any religous group,

THe blindness you display to those who have done atrocities in the name of no god is astounding. You mob must be more righteous than the closed Brethren.

*You are actually bound by your dogmas as much as any religous group,*

Not so, Runner. In our secular world you are free to practise your
religion. Nobody forces you to marry another man, or forces you to
have an abortion or even to fornicate with the neighbour. You
have choice about your life. In a Christian world, when the Church
of Rome ran things, they used to burn people like me for not
believing.

So ours is a tolerant world, your christian history is one of
intolerance, as the evidence shows. Even today, the Xtian Taliban
are alive and well, wherever they can be.

Dear Yabby,

Burning people at the stake was not restricted to the Catholic church. Protestant Geneva under John Calvin burned Michael Servetus, a brilliant man who discoverd pulmonary circulation, at the stake for heresy. Witch burnings were in both the Catholic and Protestant areas of Europe and the Americas.

Some Protestants like to put all the intolerance and evil on the Catholic church. It continued after the Reformation in both the Catholic and Protestant areas .